@raimondaslapinskas
By re-reading previous writings (and many replies directly made for you.)
I'm also thinking our interactions have reached it's peak so I'd appreciate you don't ask me and try someone else.
@freemo @modrobert
I do believe you while at the same time I have to consider your post times and frequency sometimes to say "if you wanted to you would have replied" or wouldn't leave it out completely.
Which is perfectly ok (for you) I just have to make sure the pattern fits what I think and respect limitations here.
The rest you said is still very valid to me but + / - as it's out-ranked by when someone is interested or engaged and all that "I don't have time" stuff goes out the window.
Nothing stops them - it's their passion and their everything... they will even make time / space or delay for other things. Or they might like numbers and stats and be more engaged in that :>
A: no your numbers are wrong
B:no my numbers are from here, no from there
me: err guys you're missing the morally questionable parts as well as demonstrating just the 'numbers' only viewpoints they use!
Perhaps typical not to do morally detailed work but thankfully your posts so far gift me with you thinking that is quite ok systematically atm or quite equal / fair to people overall. yikes
It's great you're doing lots too so no sweat :)
Depending on what you value: People make time for bs all the time (too many series etc) but you're ok...
When it gets interesting I'm sure you're reply but for now no need push to it It's not inconceivable stats and numbers are a lot easier.
No hard feelings Freemo.
Best not mention it :) You got your whole life to back come-back on whatever you want!
I think about all the time I would have lost installing / reinstalling / trying to fix things / trying to make work-arounds / updating / being sucked into the new... and smile knowing how much time I've saved and then at the same time investing in the the mind-work which I see as the best investment to date
(for me and others).
The toys without the right mindset counts for much less at the end.
Alright. I'm going to call that -
not going to label it for now.
To put aside / not respond to things based on this filter... is something to name later.
Perhaps anyway and without dumping feelings about that, it's probably with whatever that grabs our interests (such as numbers) that we really make time for doing it / working on it consciously or not.
@fsf HI FSF - YES I HAVE GONE TO THE SITE! I also made some posts myself listed below!
But I would also appreciate talking to someone audibly like in a Jitsi chat like anytime from now and I'll hope in...
https://meet.jit.si/chatwithaperson
Anyone available / have 20mins anytime in the future?
FSF posts:
https://qoto.org/@twotwenty/107629927643351957
https://qoto.org/@freeschool/108435546064472644
https://qoto.org/@freeschool/108521854481186003
qoto.org/@freeschool/108438136945742106
CAREFUL WITH IDEAS:
The mentality and mindset of the people is probably as important as the idea...
Giving bigger entities or bigger platforms ideas can end up with some parts being taken up faster and in the wrong way... so people with more resources and lack of conscience can run away with the wrong things. Like giving them more ammunition.
The mentality and mindset of the people is probably as important as the idea...
Less misinterpretation also means less damage early on in the introduction (you could imagine that you would need to make sure an engineer is qualified ebfore giving them the tools)
And training means less needing to convince people at the end why to backtrack or return to simpler tools or earlier ideas and instead keep / return to the more humble versions which was not supposed to have the steroid-injected commercial aspects of over-weight tech and various wasteful ways added for other very questionable reasons.
@freemo @modrobert
I am noticing @freemo you're not answering my posts as you go same as modroberts...
Just check that yourself please- and if you notice anything )other than it's long as excuse) do say.
Some real good one-liners were said so far...
"Succeeding" today means very different things in a good / caring system...
"Successful" in bad / uncaring system means a whole dictionary of bad aggressive ways; cutting corners, backstabbing, taking over competition in hierarchy, non-discussions, dominating type ways patterns just to 'get the job done' but those leading us terribly or terribly nowhere (it is hard for a company to break out of the matrix it's in).
I personally don't want to do a lot of quite unproductive or bland unhumanitarian work, arguably getting money off others in a big pyramid chain like I was a prostitute in a long line of prostitutes. (since numbers and people looking at others tends to demand that as a template).
It's the opposite of plentiful jobs created in mind of diversity lol
Business is the art of making money from people and seeing people AS money and then brute-scaling that - not for harmony or playing honest. Banks funds both sides of war too.
So when you say that "poor people don't even take the first step" if feels like you don't even see a lot of work people want to do deliberately doesn't exist as it would under the power structure (structured violence etc) or it's not given by those in charge exactly knowing what that leads to (questioning auth and point of job itself when largely we did have or can do less intensive work hours or demand less of a pay packet to fat cats per month)
Job is just a tax method... just create whatever job!
Jobs are in the same templates and not in realm of just living with each other or natural economics... it's arbitrary and authoritarian AND they wouldn't want it any other way!! (same for a lot of things even if it creates things that looks good but they still have their own way from how it's designed and people who work for them behind inside it like a self-paid gang)
AND that it is morally wrong / extortion (like the whole people represented AS money thing from start to finish even without the gangs)
How can people ignore banks?
What do you think about banks saying "sorry got no money" you think "oh yeah that's ok just give them our public money for their PRIVATE enterprises"
Where you at freemo?
Now you might have some variations but in aggressive or well-thought egregious stuff simply having money as #1 is a problem... and still would be even if it was lower ranked unless it was last given the snowball factor (literally lots of arbitrary %'s quickly adding up to needless debt chains)... so what do you expect..? it's a rock and a hard place ultimatum with banking system / financially fascist choosing in that way (can't value people unless they make "more" money for you... that is beyond doing something in life but raping people.
Money for me is hardly any to me and others that way (I'm not just a body) and never would I reduce someone's moral considerations to what matches to what is lacking in the world...
Again it's the systems fault building patterns that has the accumulation of all that's before it and no chance to do anything else and therefore almost 'no good' literally! Rules deliberately to stop all that too.
Feels / you haven't actually mentioned much of the whole responsibility on the other side... and then expect people from questionable low positions / low education / low finance to jump for their dinner so high and higher and then some perhaps... only to reach where it isn't that great or socially healthy either (with lots of money but guilt the way you got it and who you stressed along the way- all the way from spending you're time traveling to work so long, tp not having much time for family, no mental support from cold system, and anti-cooperation from state robbing pots regularly and raid us while we watch helpless..
I mean what do you have to say for some of that- they are in 'victim mentality' for no reasons?
The list goes on and even if you have it good, many are depressed.
Without WILL from controllers to do anything more than they do now "itz fucked up bro".
I'd like to run the simulation if you gave me money... (maybe by audio chat) but you're going to be tested on morals and ethics.
Because what to do? Hardly jobs created for such things I want to achieve as it would have been achieved by billions if controllers really wanted it? But no the tree of life is leaning towards the opposite and almost flat on it's back.
I had money, I already see some heads with money and aside from sitting on or playing yet again more money games to buy a house and rent it etc, there is not much increment in what we people want to see. Hint it's not about just money!
It would help it inflated house-prices or even expensive-cheap rent didn't exist since houses get paid for eventually, but everything going up and being pocketed screams for me 'naive' here and people using boats with holes in it telling others to ignore that.
Just where do people go if they find banks and state totally immoral as well as unskilled in caring?
Taking responsibility for your own situation (even in the good) almost means killing yourself to escape it (it seems extreme but again how do you escape what you don't have much choice in or what is totally morally misaligned / malign / malignant each step the system takes?)
Seems like you miss some major points here and don't give 'credit' to those with moral dilemmas or anything other than mentioning money and stats and numbers.
Victim mentality lol - aside from a bit maybe, err guess what - we are victims !
The "you let me down" speech could be on the horizon lol
You should play Age of Empire using "financially-extorting" settings and then let me know how fair things turn out!
Or run your simulation with me via chat!
Yes it is. I am not saying there isnt a problem. I am saying you are misidentifying what that problem is
@freemo Feels like it's a big trap to get into numbers and stats mainly for much longer... I wrote a bunch of points here
https://qoto.org/@freeschool/109001778219023127
...just in case it gets hidden in the interface as people click and sometimes see only the direct reply
@leo Let me accept thinking about it
BUT suggest a way to keep some things going (at the same time as thinking about it)...,
WHICH IS:
- involving your local circle in a variety of ways (sub-suggestions are below)
- Encourage / Show them Mastodon (perhaps add accounts) for quality like-minded topics (for then discussing locally or participation themselves online more than mainstream twitter etc)
- collect a few usernames from Mastodon (I suggest myself or some others) so they can see those that are in the same field or topic VERY and practice higher level safer ping pong about topic about current creation of life using the system of behavioural patterns and things it's tied to.
For example see this thread which is showing people's view on what I started as topic
https://qoto.org/@freeschool/109001441003353628
I think increasingly comes back to thinking about these things now or later so better to align or test your community sooner to see what they think AND think for themself with others as practice for real life or on Mastodon more safely.
(a kind of 2-in-1 for the tech side creating an account for themselves and social side of interacting with others more logically)
- I would be happy to do a online chat too to introduce anything and you could also moderate / steer small meeting using Jitsi (I could be guest or moderate it with you)... I feel this is real 'live' work and can say more what I have done well or seen done well... it compliments and help to have more-distant people too but useful as external input as it allows reflection and contrast to existing perceptions without battle. It's also kind of like therapy in the way people are catching up with 10's of years of clever tricks and systems but also to see the patterns themselves and talk about it (not give all answers too fast)
What do you think about these things / could we test it and even have controlled group? Happy to audio chat anytime.
@freemo I'd add these points which radically change that:
- They (The mindset of war/feeding harshly from people and those before us) have helped design and build a structure of unsaid violence / systematic violence and evolve something where you as a mere individual are simply born into it and actually can't see or there is too many things / tricks to keep up on. This is incredibly unfair and the other side is much more formidable compared to a few new borns with barely any history, having less and less land etc.
- As for deliberate mistakes or not from any individual, it's probably because of system also in it's bad ways and bad training also. Lack of choice for one, but restrictions and rules makes people suffer / frustrated / violent / choked.
- Considering a built system means seeing increment going to those bad things, things simply increase bad things in bad hands (of course). So even if you're neutral/oblivious, your energy nd existence are being funneled into uncaring things (and back around again for the next gen). This perpetuates it way more as life-threatening thing than individuals! (
- The bottom also increasingly relies on top so even if they were angels you need bad people / banks. No choice other than death currently which is a reflection of how system treats it's people (ultimatum).
- poor / middle class don't even know what construct they are in. The damage is mostly to themselves.
- The main point that one massive-accumulated-clever system that enforces, funnels and trains people into certain behavior seems very little versus what people do which even at worst doesn't amount to much other than self-damage (even if you see this as the training of system itself making 'bad products' of how it treats it's own and feed from them like vampires leaving them feeling ill and exhausted constantly)
Can't discount the evolution of 'system' or 'patterns that work better for them' much like a tool made for cutting people, it's a lot better at some things more than other things (and some things it doesn't do and was never designed to do at all).
@freeschool Its not the rich who are oppressing us. Everyone oppresses us, rich, poor, middle class. People are just assholes.
@freemo But not equally oppressive or equally assholes.
There is an equation / structure that does the compound damage so you or I as assholes isn't much but those who are rich massacre in finance anything compared to that, or even hammer / delete / erase years worth of good people's work. It's not equal also as the 'who has more resources to be an asshole' and following more structurally enforcing things and threatening using that system does way more damage that your 'we're all equal' sounding stuff seems to be saying...
Though for sure people are born erroneous - we just need a system and more people that lean the tree toward better ways (and not pure-profit ways which is not even neutral and opposite to accepting our own imperfections and magnifying it)
@raimondaslapinskas Ah dear, where to start.
I don't think I can convince you.
With still a warm heart I say that and I'm not wanting to make you into a shitposter but you short posts don't seem serious or even like they are considering points.... (I like shitposters actually for their responsiveness and more but that commonality you have asking endlessly is similar that you seem to constantly or more always miss doing some of the homework yourself or talking from yourself, your experience or picking apart the replies and using those points in the learning process. It's more of a you vs. me thing + others doing all the work + short TL;DR responses + and maybe you didn't get it fair enough... at least for now)
So anyway I think if nothing hits home already written then I go back to line 1 of this post that I don't know where to start.
My advice is have something from your own and my writing instead of (seemingly) assuming your existing stance and trying to force things incorrectly to and from that pipe... such as your last reply.
I could be wrong but I don't know what else to give you and I think you got best of me. For now just see what might fit itself into whatever logic you use about money not being a problem and evolve that
I'M CERTAIN MONEY IS A PROBLEM AND GIVEN YOU A LOT TO COUNTER THAT.
(ignoring major things that essentially contaminate everything we do doesn't work. Short text also doesn't work).
Governments do what we need to do (give to other people) but not by stealing and pocketing of our donations at the same time...
Right now we're anyway paying ourselves and others with our own energy... and funding the rich to oppress us.
So I suggest reducing the bad money people and holes in between, and more creating reasons to spread things among ourselves
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@MRECheese Well credit to you for being able to say it. Not sure where to go from here, as maybe no need or just let it sit.
Was well written.
It's about changing / opening our minds...
I give people time and I thnk that's the difference to others online who really don't have or give time and give up on people really easy... (don't mean to be competitive, no put-downs, just I more dedicate time to others and weave us together).
So you don't even have to read any of this because EVERYTHING needs time + communication and without that a lot is broken and even less human even if it's for good...
Just follow and put notifications on to TEST MY FEED.... the rest below is just over-info for most poeple.
Open Learning School or Freedom University...
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A lot you might be at length and depth, but if you're easy about it, you can take the best and even take me along to understand life with others!
To learn and do everything practically! (this is a practical living (and gets stuff done as much as we can).
Fan of Fediverse!
Quick Look - peace-loving work / services:
█ Mini-Podcast (few mins each, examples below)
█ Picture remixes / video remixes
█ Lessons without being too 'teacher' about it. Teacher has teeth for eliminating doubt.
█ Food for thought as gentle soul also.
█ Unique ideas - often impossible for professionals (they are burdened by financial repsonsibility and therefore associational risk in saying things). I'm more diverse and occasionally direct (with respect, though I don't shy away from reminding people).
█ Not too embarrassing to say "I don't know" but can still chase things.
█ More responsive than casual users usually because people think having 'job' is enough in life. I say it's not! And even faimily is of no use if it's only getting worse (in everything!).
Podcast Examples:
1. Gary Ackerman's thoughts on AI
https://qoto.org/@freeschool/111867522723922385
2. The Little Prince book
https://qoto.org/@freeschool/111845561003150354
3. Fantasy genre from a fan's perspective
https://qoto.org/@freeschool/111845709367492677
I help people create audio / edit educational audio / podcast / music / visual short videos / transcript text
+ I like to add a bit humour while being quite strict in my own politics (opinions) but open / inviting for others to tell me what I should do if they can explain more than just a short comment (I don't mind it's healthy for me at least if you have logic and can stand yourself explaining).
FreeSchool is about Learning towards Freedom (which is about Uniting everyone slowly, even "1 by 1"... Easy with The Fediverse!
Not virtue signalling here only, but practise of EVERYTHING as we go. Judged by getting in contact (many have) and having courage to communicate (or seeking it from others is ok, EVERYONE needs a bit of courage or hand-holding to make big personal changes). Who else is there for example if family doesn't understand?
Learning and watching can be good and staying out of people's way, BUT better is doing something every day and helping each other with some tough decisions / lessons... and then being bold enough to do them. 1... 2... 3 that is all that's needed.
Let my posts do most of the talking.
Put me on notification (click bell that appears after follow ia accepted) and if it's not interesting switch off after and tick me off the list of potential people to follow daily!
Media version of my posts here... open link for later... good for visual scrolling version and judge me on that I don't mind...
https://qoto.org/@freeschool/media
I'm usually impressed with my media gallery as I work on posts a lot usually or hit the "Aha!" moments and capture it (other people may forget it for years, not me!).
Freedom is about *making it work together* better like using #Mastodon on the #Fediverse daily for better platforms with more #bestpractices and 'best' people to help us which I kind of collect here and
when it's #1 comment!
I am measurably better because I reply and stick to everything to the end(!)
No cancelling friendship suddenly without saying why or being moody!
Freedom is to Learn, Respect and Love eventually and ️to Unite!
Practically it's also like Tetris - add yourself to the puzzle and watch it all happen...
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talk more on Mastodon and the Fediverse and puzzle it all out using better ways to less use the other bad commercial / extractive people...
L£$$ of the less caring people like the ggl's / ytb / gmail / mainstream communication points etc who are offering lots of space 'free' and it's not free of peace there.
We GIVE to real people (TIME NOT JUST MONEY).
There's no buy-in solution - we have to make it with selotape or whatever we have - it's not shameful to bring whatever you have.
FreeSchool is terminology put together from many good things from past (coined in 1950's/60's. I / we become it eventually through being.
It's a movement for Freedom via Learning it all (learning self included and less active stuff) and doing the learning *together* --> https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeschool.
I encourage you warmly to participate with me as a I have time and then spiral out naturally to others (we are part of humanity and so naturally a sort of evangelism or ecological pyramid of life as we choose to spread lesser suffering while accepting consuming is part of it).
Less-commercial in orientation (in everything) and happy to think / work for free.
Naturally you will hesitate if someone is sure of themself or ok standing on shoulders what we copy do the best from humbly but not too sterile either.
Based on just emotions ruins almost everything, which seems very common - very ungraceful - so don't disconnect... do it gracefully at least!
A "school" of thought is here you can interact / ask and make best together as free/low cost as possible.
Even a bad answer you can take best from (of course I won't know all your situation when I suggest something but I don't need to answer 100% - you also need to help me!).
Leave perfectionism, we are all imperfect humans! Let's do it... Choose something ANYTHING and keep the thoughts rolling together...!
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