ML2 @mathlover@social.cleverlibre.org

@Hyolobrika
I have a hard time seeing how LBRY and ActivityPub could ever be made compatible, given that the blockchain part of LBRY is there to allow for monetization.
Personally I don't dislike LBRY (quite the opposite) but it seemingly needs a bit more work and I would love to see more websites using it besides those made by LBRYorg proper.
@lbry @swiley

@Hyolobrika
IIRC Odysee and LBRY.tv are not quite the same, just two sites that are owned by similar people using the same open source protocol.
Unfortunately the site describing this (lbry.com) is as clear as my handwriting from seventh grade is legible. It does seem one can add new nodes to the service using apps...
@lbry

@Vectorfield
Thanks for the interesting perspective on this!
@pants @freemo @swiley @bonifartius

@pants
I personally avoid dark humor unless I know my audience won't be offended. I also tend to make all my dark jokes at my expense.
@bonifartius @freemo @swiley

@pants
Which is why blocking should be done at the user level and servers should not try to bully other servers into blocking according to their list of hated groups/ideas.
I have a nontrivial block list myself.
@bonifartius @freemo @swiley

@pants
I don't think @bonifartius was talking about Nazis. If I recall correctly he just said "unsavory posts about right wing people or the police." Most people right of center or right wing aren't Nazis, just as most people left of center or left wing aren't Marxist-Leninis who praise Stalin.
There's also a difference between people saying ACAB or calling out police misconduct in colorful terms and people talking about normalizing murdering police on the spot. I have seen the latter be given a pass from a user on a server that was very block happy at the server level.
@freemo @bonifartius @swiley

@pants
There's a difference between a restaurant asking a mentally ill person to leave and asking restaurants to remove people you think are mentally ill, especially if you are not a psychiatrist. The latter is closer to what we were talking about. Freemo removing an asshat from Qoto is different from if Freemo asked other server admind to remove said person under threat of block.
@freemo @swiley @bonifartius

I'd like to see both your papers. 🙂

@swiley
Agreed. Nazis exult in being martyrs. They actively seek it in fact. Kicking them off a platform and making a spectacle of doing so gives them an ego boost and pushes them to places that they can't be removed from.
@pants @bonifartius @freemo

@bonifartius
@freemo @swiley
I should add that at the moment things are calmer than they were even a month ago. Partly because COVID rates are down and vaccinations are under way (a lot of the stress of this was compounding political issues) and partly because we aren't constantly worrying about what Trump does. Biden may not be perfect (I disagree with his stance on at least two issues and with his handling of the Kashoggi aftermath) but at least he's not an attention seeker who does things when the camera pans away to get it back on him.

@pants
@bonifartius @freemo @swiley

We are talking about two different phenomena outside of server moderation:

1. Instances coercing other instances to block based on their preferences.
2. Instances making choices for their users regarding other instances.

If a user wants to block someone or an entire domain, they are free to do so as is. Why should someone make that choice for them?
Also, oppression is not a black and white affair. You can't sort the world, or Fediverse into oppressed and oppressor, get rid of the latter, and expect everything to suddenly be golden from then on out.

@bonifartius @freemo @swiley Agreed. Fortunately, with all the precedent regarding the First Amendment and the way courts see things here, "anti hate speech" legislation is impossible to pass without being struck down.

I do hope things calm down here in terms of partisan nonsense, but it's going to be bumpy for at least the short term.

@bonifartius @freemo @swiley I joined Qoto and Linuxrocks.online a few years before the spectacle involving Gab. I am happy those two servers never got involved in the scrum over Gab.

Regarding doublethink: it's very common for people in the US to engage in it these days, as polarization has gotten overwhelmingly severe. I suspect that might be part of the problem: a lot of Mastodon users are in the US.

@freemo @swiley From the few people I discussed this with of that persuasion I get the impression that they think certain views are intrinsically harmful and need to be sealed away from their audiences.

Then there was that Jessica L. Hacker person who blocked me for contradicting something.

@freemo @swiley That's sad.
I use 4 fediverse instances regularly (qoto.org, linuxrocks.online, mstdn.io, and pleroma.blob.cat). I avoid instances that are block happy at the server level.

@freemo @swiley Just how much of Fediverse is comprised of instances that are block-happy? I can't figure out if it's a scattering of small servers or if it's a larger proportion of the userbase.

@swiley I've heard some people claim it's better than Ubuntu, but Ubuntu doesn't pull this shit last I checked. Personally I am considering switching over from Ubuntu to Arch at some point (I'm already running a VM with Arch for fun)