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@DeanBaker13 @joshtpm @mmasnick

This raises another point: why muck about with Section 230 repeal/alteration in order to fix the larger sites when Twitter and Facebook are driving themselves into oblivion as-is? Heck, wouldn't it be better to, say, encourage things like ActivityPub adoption by government and others than to bring about massive, intentional regulatory climate change?

You still haven't answered my other questions about larger sites being less affected, how such a DMCA-like system as you proposed would even work, or why using floods of *demonstrably* frivolous cases to solve problems is in any way a good idea.

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@DeanBaker13 @joshtpm @mmasnick
Let's see:
* The comments section on a news site that sells advertising.
* The comments section on a blog running ads in some side panel on the site.
* Etsy, eBay, or any e-commerce site of that sort.
* Pinterest, Reddit, or any other mid-range social media site.

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@Lockdownyourlife I can definitely see shared reporting systems in the plural happening. Even if users don't all adopt the same system, having multiple publicly accessible, searchable systems, together with standards for inclusion (like evidence) would be a massive improvement over the current approaches.

It doesn't help that a) some instances keep their lists of moderated servers/individuals private for reasons essentially reducible to security by obscurity and b) that there are cases where the fediblock hashtag has been abused to spread malicious disinfo about others, causing that system to be seen as less trustworthy. (Currently the instance I'm on is on the receiving end of a drama caused by a bad actor spreading disinformation that way.)

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Lockdownyourlife

Jesus Fuckbuttering Christ Mastodon users.

The amount of dipshit reply guys to someone saying they're experiencing harassment/abuse shouldn't be:

"You should find a better instance"
"You can mute, block and fediblock them"
"You're being difficult"
"You should read all the block lists for other instances and follow those"
"You should use different hashtags"
"I haven't experienced any harassment or problems and I've been here for years"
"You should create filters and a central list so everyone can find it"
"Don't complain unless you're willing to solve the problem"

Those are a few of the replies I've received, in addition to being told:

"You should be shot in the uterus"
"You should be more careful"
"You should unalive yourself"
"You should be killed"
"You're a whore"

There's a few more vile things to add to that list, but you get the idea.

My point is this, content moderation and centralized reporting is something that should be considered.

I understand it won't stop all the harassment, but it might give a better way of tracking the problems.

I am not/not volunteering to spearhead it because I already handle enough of this shit in my personal and business life.

I don't have the spoons, or fucks left.

#infosec #WomenInTech #informationsecurity #contentmoderation #safety #privacy #activist #OSINT

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The Whiteness of Mastodon (worth the read) 

@mguhlin I'll read this later. Not sure if I will agree with it overall, but I'll read it.

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@DeanBaker13 @joshtpm @mmasnick Reading your blog entry, you are correct in that Mastodon doesn't do those things and thus *might* not be as badly affected were your proposal to be implemented. You are not correct, however, in assuming that getting rid of Section 230 would bring larger social media to heel.

If anything, it would affect smaller commercial sites more than big ones, the latter of which have the money and the lawyers to defend against the (completely frivolous but harder to dismiss) lawsuits that would inevitably follow from such a repeal. Which reminds me: how is filling the courts with frivolous, but expensive-to-resolve lawsuits a good solution at all?

There's another issue I spotted in your entry:

> ... I proposed a notification and takedown rule similar to what now exists with material alleged to be infringing on copyrights. Under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, a website ... can be subject to penalties for copyright infringement if they have been notified by the copyright holder and fail to take down the infringing material in a timely manner.

First, there are numerous problems with the DMCA takedown system as is that make it easy to abuse; I don't think you want to copy-paste that system for another thing. Second, how would such a takedown system even work for civil law issues? Would it be "if you don't take down this content according to this notice, I can sue you for what some other person posted, even if said content is 1A protected"?

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Noah Berlatsky

the fact is Jewish people are a tiny minority in the US and don't really have the numbers or sway to stop antisemitic hate from being normalized.

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It's Going Down

On November 25, at the urging of a far-right troll, Elon Musk banned the @CrimethInc Twitter account.

Musk’s goal in acquiring Twitter had nothing to do with “free speech”—it was a partisan move to silence opposition, paving the way for fascist violence. crimethinc.com/2022/11/25/elon

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Jeff Jarvis

With Twitter's collapse, funders should start helping build up federated discourse: supporting development of better security, of moderation aids, of proposals for affordances welcoming to Black Twitter and other communities. Stop thinking top down. Start thinking emergent.

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Chris Trottier

What a cringe-fest!

Elon Musk trying so hard to hurl insulting zingers at Mastodon. But he just comes across as incredibly awkward and dorky.

He also fails at one of the first rules of PR: don't acknowledge the little guy lest you turn them into the big guy.

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Howard Rheingold

There were #onlinecommunities in 1989: Scenes from a WELL party

youtu.be/MM8NHBsTST4

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Jeff Brown

At the turn of the (20th) century newspapers were the social media platforms of the day.

At the turn of the 21st century newspapers ceded that role, and their futures, to big-tech and the portals and silo-social networks.

The move to the fediverse gives modern news orgs a once in a generation opportunity to take that back.

Follow the lead of @TexasObserver and other news orgs that are launching their own instances for their staff/reporters and their audiences.

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Dave Winer ☕️

Twitter Has Lost Half of Its Top 100 Advertisers.

politicalwire.com/2022/11/25/t

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@101101000 To be honest, there are very few people in the world I actually hate, mostly a handful (as in, exactly 3) of bullies from summer camp who probably are in prison now, and in all likelihood were undiagnosed psychopaths who got their kicks at that camp bullying, physically abusing, and psychologically manipulating people on the autism spectrum.

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@101101000 While it's hard for me to *hate* Musk after he brought such wild traffic to various social media platforms (but not the one he actually owns), the truth is that he is an unabashed narcissist who has done little to nothing original and who coasts on stolen credit and a manufactured "real-life Iron Man" persona. The worker mistreatment and hypocritical behavior just adds to the pile of issues I have with him.

I wouldn't say he's the *worst* person in the world, but he's certainly in the bottom decile and very likely the bottom 1%.

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Francesco Yoshi Gobbo :linux:

hmm..
I came across the usual that spams crypto stuff..
How to proceed?
I would block the , but I think a better action might be to it to the remote server.. Just, I only have a report to this server option, and then forward to the remote one...
Any way to just report to the remote? Or am I supposed to report in my one anyway/no-report-at-all?

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Critical Cupcake

Mt. Rainier casting a shadow upwards across the sky.

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Tony Stark

This piece is a couple of weeks old, but I think it’s important to pay attention to.

In Republican-controlled states where they can get away with it, the urban areas are split up through gerrymandering to basically disenfranchise the city dwellers. Nashville is a prime example.

You’re talking about one of the largest metro areas of the country and because of gerrymandering, its congressional representation is gone. It’s not democracy.

Republican-Led Congressional Redistricting Leads to 'District Misassignment' in Nashville | Pith in the Wind | nashvillescene.com
nashvillescene.com/news/pithin

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Pwnallthethings

He's the richest man only because Telsa is a memestock.

Once people realize Tesla's value is high for the same basic reason FTX's was*, it'll normalize down to something a lot smaller.

* people put money in, and number go up; and because number go up, more people put more money in. All while paying lots of attention to the brand and the memes but without paying much attention to the fundamentals of the business

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@mmasnick LOL

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