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@PJDavidson

Since Photopea, that is an online app, is there, maybe it's worth a mention something like https://beta.tldraw.com for simple vector graphics

@rieger_san@mastodontech.de @pluralistic

> you don’t have to use zap’s is you don’t want to

I just said I don't like that it is slapped in the face of users... with this attitude you are lowering my interest in the platform. I don't like people who can't admit obvious problems, I just said the same about the Fediverse to another person in this thread.

I am also tired to hear Bitcoin enthusiasts thinking others don't understand Bitcoin. We #ModernMonetaryTheory -aware people predicted Bitcoin would become just a tool for financial speculation around 2011 and in all these years we were proven right at 300%.

@jeffmarkel @pluralistic

It's not based on blockchain, same situation of IPFS. Look at this other part of the thread:

https://qoto.org/@post/109965516109644382

Anyway I believed in the Fediverse before Mastodon was a thing but now I admit it's a total disaster and I would like that others were honest enough to recognize the fundamental problem.

I don't want to support anymore the mafia scheme by some large Fediberse instances and the silence of the other ones.

@rieger_san@mastodontech.de @pluralistic

It should be something totally optional and not pushed in the face of users like that. Typical of projects that have to do with cryptocurrencies.

But Nostr approach using relays is interesting.

@rieger_san@mastodontech.de @pluralistic

What scares me about Nostr is that despite it doesn't seem based on a blockchain, it is developed by cryptocurrencies enthusiasts and I still have to figure out what's the relation between Nostr and cryptocurrencies. I installed Nostros client for Android and it pushes this "Zap" thing that looks based on cryptocurrences, on something called "Satoshi" and other things I don't even want to see.

@pluralistic

The #Fediverse has its own set of problems, fragmentation in particular, lead by instances blocking entire other instances without their users knowing the consequences.

For example I'm on qoto.org where I can speak freely but it is blocked by other instances with runarounds, so there is a portion of the Fediverse that will never see my posts.

In theory if you have to choose an instance and you have a list of people you intend to follow, it is not guaranteed that an instance that allows you to do that exist. If you create your own, it could still be blocked by other instances after a while for ideological reasons or even just because you pissed off who happens to be the childish admin of an instance. Their users are trapped in those instances with no idea that other portions of the Fediverse exist.

This undermines the notion of "joining the Fediverse": which portion are you actually joining? How will the situation change as you use it? How do you really monitor and control your experience? How can you enjoy a "free" platform if you have to think about politics between instances that often boil down to childish skirmishes?

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What do you think instead of the new approach by #Nostr based on relays? https://nostr.com/

@ellane @darren @EpiphanicSynchronicity

Markdown files and folders has always been my approach and I was convinced to adopt Logseq because I felt it didn't put at risk my workflow but gracefully improve it. Or at least I feel in control.

As I said Obsidian and Logseq are not much different on that aspect, it's just that Logseq needs to structure Markdown files as indented lists.

@darren

If I say "Obsidian users" I mean the ones I know on average. Why would you think I am referring to you? I didn't even know you use Obsidian...

I have discussed many times with that other person about Obsidian, Logseq and FOSS and my point has always been the same but argued again and again.

This started with an attack by the Obsidian CEO against Logseq out of nothing, followed by corporate blabbering and just a few weeks earlier there was a very misleading announcement about Obsidian new secretly developed .canvas format being made "open source".

So sorry, I'm a little fed up with the Obsidian topic.

@darren @ellane @EpiphanicSynchronicity

No, mine was a genuine reply and since I follow her I had elements to think she doesn't know about this.

@darren @EpiphanicSynchronicity

For context, here we are talking about two apps that both store data as Markdown files and they can even be used together to some degree.

The main difference is that Logseq is an outliner, so it mainly stores Markdown indented lists.

A Logseq user controls how much extra syntax to adopt just like does an Obsidian user with plugins like Dataview. So my argument is that there is not much difference in practice.

Additionally, I pointed out that a big part of Logseq are queries and you can use Datalog, that is a query language just like SQL but more expressive, used for example in Machine Learning.

Obsidian users known about Markdown but miss that it is not the only standard that can be adopted. Retrieving notes is a key feature in any PKM system and so it is valuable not to reinvent the wheel. Logseq using Datalog (both internally and exposed to the user) is a major selling point. This is just an example.

The big difference instead is Logseq being FOSS for the reasons I stated.