rastinza @rastinza@social.cleverlibre.org

@gattamelata
Sei a Varsavia? Com'è? Io arrivo dopodomani.

@ImperfectIdea
I'm drunk and in no mood to define the meaning of existence.
I gave links to inform yourself about antimaterialism and antirealism, if you're interested in this matter go read those things and then come back.

Something that cannot be observed can indeed exist, for example God cannot be observed, but it could very well exist.
Plato's world of ideas cannot be observed but it could very well exist. I do not believe it does, but it could; even though it cannot be observed.
@tripu

@ImperfectIdea
I mean, there's a whole branch of philosophy dedicated to defining science and how it works.
If you work in science you should at least know what that is about; this is my opinion.
In my opinion, if you don't know that stuff then you are a bad scientists and I have a low esteem of you.

It's what I consider the base of the scientific method.
While you can do science without knowing the scientific method, I do believe it is proper to know what it is and how it works in order to conduct good research.
@tripu

@ImperfectIdea
You don't
That's why the scientific method fails
@tripu

@ImperfectIdea

It is not, it's the founding base of science.
If you know nothing about the philosophy of science then you can not do science, because you don't know what you're doing.
If you're working in a scientific environment and you don't know nothing about this, I'm sorry, but you will have to reconsider your position and your competencies.
Either way, if you want to discuss about science you should know what science is and on what philosophical base it is founded on, so you should know what are the various theories regarding the philosophy of science.

It appears that you know nothing about it, thus start from here and branch out learning about the various things.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_science
@tripu

@ImperfectIdea
Things which are not material and are not observable in the material world.
Let's take that everything in the material world is made up of atoms, something immaterial is something that is not made up of atoms and cannot be observed.
@tripu

@ImperfectIdea
No

I advise you read something about the philosophy of science.

@tripu

@ImperfectIdea
There is no proof of what you're saying, thus that is just your opinion.
Science demonstrated that atoms exist, not that the universe is only made up of atoms or that immaterial things do not exist.

> Anything else is so improbable it can be disregarded until new evidence

The fact that you disregard it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
You may be right or you may be wrong, but saying that those things don't exist is an opinion.
Also, you cannot talk about probability... If those things exist then they exist, if they don't they don't; there's no existence probability.
@tripu

@tripu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimaterialism

@ImperfectIdea

@diorama
Bene bene, qui i fornelli si accendono senza accendino, hanno una bella fiamma e non si spengono a caso!
Peccato che me ne vado subito...
@leodurruti

@tripu
Philosophy
@ImperfectIdea

@ImperfectIdea

> in the end it's all atoms

Well, that's like your opinion, man.
@tripu

@sirvoe
(Li selezioni tutti perché quelle sono solo proiezioni tagliate ad un certo livello di probabilità)

@101101000
I have lived outside the richest countries, however I have been lucky enough that I almost never missed food, I have begged for food only in a few dire situations and I was in countries where food was not missing.

I am European, thus these are the examples I know of; I meant that to convey the image of a huge, trasversal and 'global' food problem.

I'm interested in this decline of food sustainability and quality that you're observing.
You seem well informed on this topic, could you please provide some more information about it?

@tripu
These are not sciences, since not all of those follow the scientific method.
Defining moral philosophy as science is laughable.
@ImperfectIdea

@tripu
I'll watch it, it appears interesting
@ImperfectIdea

@ImperfectIdea
I don't feel like discussing this just to talk about an unrelated topic.
@tripu

@ImperfectIdea
> But for each life there's definitely better and wrong choices

That is opinable. Are you able to tell a person whether he should suicide or not? Is it an objective analysis that can be done simply through science? If that's possible, then one day we will have a computer telling people the exact day in which they should suicide.
If you can say that living is a better choice than dieing for that person then he should not suicide, if you can tell the opposite then he should.

> Religion simply tries to answer questions that we haven't been able to define well enough mathematically yet

You are assuming that it is possible to do so.
I believe it is not possible.

> Define "good life" well enough

This is what I think is impossible to do in a scientific way.
It's possible to define good life, but not through science.
You can do a lot of calculations and stuff, but none of those will result in "this is good life, while that is not"
You must first define what is good life and then you can use science to identify which people have a good life and which ones do not.
@tripu

@101101000
Regarding Lebanon, surely this will have drastic consequences; I'm not saying it's all good and we should ignore it.
Do note however that food prices were up over 2000% before the war started.

@101101000
I'm sorry, I just skimmed the article when I replied.
I now read it in detail.

I do reckon this is a huge problem, probably the lack of fertilizers will be the biggest one.

Still I wouldn't classify this as a global food crisis. Maybe however we are just disagreeing on the definition. I would classify a global food crisis something where not enough food is globally available in the world, so that people throughout the world starve to death.
Something like the great famine in the middle age.
I hopefully believe this is not what is happening.
This is not to say it won't be a huge problem.

Until now there has been an overabundance of food, for all the people. Some people were still starving to death, but that was not because of the lack of food at a global level but because they had no access to the food.
I do not believe this war will take us from food overabundance to a shortage.