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@js290 (and ivermectin is pretty safe and effective)

@js290 what medical interventions are forced

@bonifartius and yes, I wish I could find a less pompous way of expressing that

@Zerglingman @11112011

@bonifartius we have a responsibility, to ourselves and future generations, to strip power from those who abuse it

@11112011 intimidating swagger

@freemo We can disagree about the cost/benefit analysis but we agree on the crux of the issue.

@bonifartius are the principles of government by consent no longer valid

The vaccination question is simple:

Is the government allowed to dictate medical intervention?

@11112011 @Terry @apropos revealed preferences are a bitch huh

@11112011 @Terry @apropos dinner with family friends, last people to listen conspiracy theories, telling me about a friend who didn't get the second because she lost the ability to speak and other neurological symptoms.

It's not just some hallucination of the trump brigade

@11112011 @Terry @apropos sure, but if a children of men/fertility reduction scenario is at 0.5% probability our species won't survive if we keep pulling that trigger

Some risks you simply shouldn't take, no matter what the payoff, and it looks like the payoff is pretty shite anyway.

@11112011 @Terry @apropos few hundred million*

@11112011 @Terry @apropos the missus had a rough time with the 2nd dose, had to sit there and watch that all night, and family friends at dinner know a girl who didn't take the second because of brutal neurological symptoms.

I ain't saying that the short term benefits don't outweigh the short term harm, it's the long view that has me concerned and anyone who tells you they know the long term risk/benefit are either lying or delusional.

Ivermectin has been prescribed 3.7 billion times and it's killed 16.

Pfizer have delivered a few million doses in the last year and it's linked to ~5000 deaths and God knows how many serious adverse events. And this is just short term stuff with a novel technology.

Tell me more about reality mate.

@11112011 @Terry @apropos also, when you say horse drugs to a Brit they assume you mean ketamine, had to think about that one a bit

@11112011 @Terry @apropos fingers crossed mate, truly