climate doom, switzerland, glaciers
@kensanata multiple large dams have been inflicted on the envionment in many countries, each submerging thousands of hectares of living forests and farmlands. Those forests brought rain and those farmlands sustained people. Instead, we could just mimic the forest and make all available land absorb the rain rather than let it run off.
@natecull both in society and compute, "somebody else will solve this hard problem, if we just defer to them enough power" is too tempting for many (most?).
@natecull yup. NZ (and every other country) has paid handsomely to gift its sovereignty 4-5 US-based mega corporates, also handing them personal citizen data on a platter, with the added perk of having all that citizen data available to US gov't agencies via the US Cloud and Patriot Acts. I lament aspects of it here: https://davelane.nz/mshostage We, as a species (with special hat tip to our gov'ts), aren't smart enough to have computers.
@0 Ford no longer sells its vehicles in India, and recently agreed to sell its factory to the neighbouring factory. There probably weren't too many people to lay off.
@josemanuel IMHO morality licenses are pretty sinister. Using copyright to push your own morality on other people is kind of authoritarian. Imagine the situation reversed; a vaccine licensed to be accessible only by people who release any software they are involved with writing under a Free Software license. Most people can intuitively see that this would be unethical. But for some reason doing exactly the same thing with morality licenses on software is fine?
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So for someone who wants an extremely permissive license for all non-corporate entities, there's not currently, to my knowledge, any OSI-friendly license to allow it. In fact, it expressly violates pts 5 and 6
So agreed: they just have different goals completely, and I think until the world's economic state and systems are less shit, this won't be an easily solveable condition. Folks (rightfully?) want a share of $MEGACORP's bazillion dollars they save from FOSS lib usage
@strypey There is no clear answer to this. People using "ethical" source licenses just have different goals.
I expect that any highly successful ethical source projects will eventually be bought and coverted to fully proprietary.
Where ethical source sits is at the level of class. FOSS is about everyone, ethical source is about a particular class of workers, proprietary is purely individualistic.
@strypey you mean, something like a geeky SETI@home but for hosting workloads?
@maltimore interesting, tending towards a holistic metric. @kensanata
@njoseph tldr but a basic tenet in low-power hardware design is to run a workload as fast as possible and put the hardware into a sleep state. The late Joe Armstrong too argued that we should have load concentrators, not balancers!
@acdw something else, they should stop calling all their national efforts as World this and World that. Or let the whole world vote in their Presidential election.
@0 it is entirely a colonial construct, force-fitting a non-hierarchical system into a hierarchy. Great psy-op too, in pushing it ... hard.
Most of the pre-colonial royal dynasties were from the supposedly lowest caste, with exactly one dynasty from the supposedly highest caste. The "lowest caste" was also the wealthiest, being the producer of all the spices and fine clothing that constituted almost ⅓ of global trade.
@blacklight
Is 'Smart Cities' something we actually need/want or a solution in search of a problem.
Autonomous garbage collection? What's wrong with a fixed schedule where the garbage is picked up? That means the garbage is only put outside on collection days.
Public transport? Fixed schedules are really useful. And you don't need sensors everywhere to notice if/when there is a capacity problem.
We should stop with the data collection fetish, which is what Smart Cities is all about (imo).
@blacklight That's all cool and right and whatnot, but you lost me at "elected officials are accountable". In what world?
Elected officials protected the NSA, hunted down Edward Snowden, tortured Chelsea Manning, imprisoned Reality Winner, etc etc. Democratic shmemocratic, the whole "holding accountable" stuff has failed.
These technologies shouldn't be controlled by elected officials, these technologies should be banned, burned wherever we find them, and stigmatised so much that anyone even proposing them can never find work in tech for the rest of their lives.
Bjarne Stroustrup: I do not believe that for most people and organizations a radical break with the past is the best or fastest way to progress.
Henry Baker: There’s a big difference between a ‘radical break with the past’, and a ‘regression into the past’. I have a very difficult time understanding how you can put ‘progress’ and ‘C++’ in the same sentence.
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@deshipu@mastodon.technology good point. On the food side, there are consumer coops trying to transact farmer produce that are not mainstream. On anything high-tech like Internet services, it is not possible for consumers to know enough to do that. So it sounds low-tech is a good idea that can give consumers a chance to drive the services. Not sure what is the low-tech equivalent for democratic politics.