timorl @timorl@social.cleverlibre.org

@varelse
> Pod postem prof. Jemielniaka na Facebooku odezwał się sam Mike Godwin, zarzucając naukowcowi niewłaściwą metodykę badań. Po krótkiej acz burzliwej dyskusji Jemielniak napisał, że idzie słuchać Wagnera, a Godwin prawdopodobnie go zablokował.

Co ja pacze.

Jemielniak Diogenesem na miarę naszych możliwości?

Posting a comic by stonetoss cricizing censoring art because of the creator's views is
uh
actually incredibly internally consistent.

Also an impressive illustration that internal consistency is not everything you should expect from a position.

@2ck Are they even ostensibly for newbies' sake though? I know very few developers who could tell me from the top of their head tha information a bug report should contain in broad terms, and remembering to actually use that knowledge in the moment is even more challenging. And thanks to these templates it's not (much of) a problem! So yay!

@chjara@mk.absturztau.be Now record yourself singing this, so I can get a better quality version than what's on YT.

Leslie Fish is even on bandcamp, but the ballad isn't. :<

@chjara@mk.absturztau.be Thread music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32yPWJcq2AI

@freemo With 2 my point was the droplets that are captured by the mask would likely enter either your nose or mouth in the couterfactual, thus this cannot be _worse_.

Regarding 1 I doubt you wouldn't touch your face at all in this situation without a mask (e.g. wiping you mouth?), but I also don't generally drink or eat much when I'm out and about, so maybe I lack expertise. On the other hand I don't think that many people do this a lot anyway (maybe it's different in the US?).

Agreed on 3, the only way this can be worse is if you actually get a significant increase in infection risk when masked. This means that 1 and 2 not only have to be true, but they need to have significant effects.

@fantasminha People use "bug" to mean "thing we want to do", the problem here is they decided they don't want to do something that probably a big part of the userbase wants. @esm

@mkljczk Wyklucza najwyżej ludzi którzy trwale nie mogą się zaszczepić z powodów zdrowotnych i jednocześnie nie mają dostępu do testów które pozwalają uzyskać certyfikat. Lewica popiera szeroko rozumiane zwiększenie dostępu do służby zdrowia, które by pomogło na ten problem, choć nie umieścili tego w tym projekcie.

@mkljczk To są wyniki ograniczeń praktycznych, nie? Nie ma certyfikatu który by obejmował wszystkie szczepionki, nie ma certyfikatu którego by się nie dało podrobić (tego to nawet w teorii by nie mogło być, ale i tak podejrzewam że ten problem jest marginalny, już pomijając to że wyprodukowanie takiego certyfikatu już jest nielegalne). Jak się chce zadbać o dobro wspólne w postaci zdrowia publicznego to jest to jedna z bardziej realistycznych metod. Jak inaczej byś proponował sprawdzać wyszczepienie?

@mkljczk Pozwól, że zreformułuję pytanie by odpowiedz stała się bardziej oczywista: "Od kiedy uzależnienie praw obywatelskich od działania na rzecz dobra społeczności stało się lewicowe?". To że po drodze trzeba przyjąć produkt koncernu farmaceutycznego jest tylko praktyczną konsekwencją tego - jakby ci się udało zdobyć kubańską szczepionkę i jej użyć to chyba lewicowcy by się nie czepiali.

@freemo I understand that you might not want to spend too much time on this, but a single example of an actual far-left position that is similarly softened in the comic as the far-right ones would be very appreciated – I really am unaware of them (or impressivley effectively lying to myself?).

No too much pressure if you really don't want to though, I know you should probably concentrate on resting and growing your bones back together. ;)
@schratze

@freemo Moderate compared to actual positions, not absolutely. By panels:

1. Actual far-right position: People of other races should not be in my country at all, but if they have to they definitely shouldn't date whites.
Presented position: Personal choice to only date whites.
Actual far-left position: ??? Anybody can date whomever they want? Is this even a position at this point? I guess in countries without legal gay marriage it is, but not really related to race.
Presented position: Personal choice to only date non-whites.
2. Actual far-right position: People of other races should not be in my country at all, but if they have to I definitely wouldn't hire them because they are too stupid. (Latter might not apply to all races depending on the specific type of far-right you stumble upon.)
Presented position: Not employing non-whites. Reasoning missing.
Actual far-left (or rather far-progressive, but I assume we are treating these as synonymous in this case) position: In an environment of systemic racism and sexism people of color and women have lower chances of getting employed and this is a self-reinforcing problem, using quotas might help solve it.
Presented position: Some quip about colourful candy I assume. It sorta satirizes an argument I have actually seen, about diversity of perspectives bringing strength to companies (which as far as I can tell is a good argument, I have examples, but if you satirize it like that it only looks silly). Note that this panel has an unflattering satire of a (not the main) reasoning, while the other omitts any reasoning.
3. Actual far-right position: Yeah, this one is pretty accurate.
Actual far-left position: Islam is not inherently more violent than any other religion.
Presented position: Disregard any violence of muslims, also be condescending to them and assume they will commit violence because they are muslims.
4. Actual far-right position: People of other races should not be in my country at all. (I havent seen contemporary racists advocate for separate facilities for different races, but it might just be blissful ignorance. <_<)
Presented position: Separate facilities for whites and non-whites.
Actual far-left position: ??? No idea what could be related to the picture. The closest I can think of is unisex bathrooms, but that is the exact opposite of the picture.
Presented position: Separate facilities for whites and non-whites.
5. Actual far-right position: black people are inferior to whites, at the very least mentally.
Presented position: Extreme dislike for black people because of their skin colour.
Actual far-left position: White people should be aware of the systemic privilege they have over other people.
Presented position: Extreme dislike for white people because of their skin colour.

I don't fully agree with the far-left positions presented above, but they are clearly not equivalent to the far-right ones, unless you simplify them beyond recognition and soften the far-right ones.

Bleh, now I clearly spent too much time analyzing a shitty comic. ~.~

@schratze

@freemo They definitely don't want to make this a national policy, so the comic is presenting a moderate version of a far-right position, and equating it to a extreme version of a left position. And I'm pretty sure that's the closest of the panels to the truth, the others also seem to do at least that (downplaying the right position while making an exaggerated caricature of the left).
@schratze

@freemo I don't think the actually racist ones would, e.g. the first panel is literally the policy they favour. The third is literally the image they want to build of muslims (and that's true even for the not farthest right ones, see e.g. the official polish government's press conference that contained literal bestiality). Not sure about second and fourth. @schratze

@schratze @freemo Lack of understanding of the SJW position, as far as I can tell.