Void Abyss @voidabyss@social.cleverlibre.org
Joined Aug 2021
@freemo
>You be as cautious as you want, its just important to be careful about trying to sell that caution as something justified by the science.
That's your determination, the scientific research and the clinical trials on this matter are still on going, whether you want to acknowledge that fact or not.
* A Phase 1/2/3 Study to Evaluate the Safety, Tolerability, and Immunogenicity of an RNA Vaccine Candidate Against COVID-19 in Healthy Children and Young Adults
https://beta.clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT04816643
* Moderna mRNA-1273 Observational Pregnancy Outcome Study
https://beta.clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT04958304
I am relying scientific experts opinion on this topic as well as research studies and case studies therefore my concerns are justified and backed up by science not social conformity or peer pressure.
Expert opinion:
* Paul A. Offit, MD
https://en.wikipedia.org//wiki/Paul_Offit
https://www.fda.gov/media/117731/download
Member of FDA advisory board
* Bivalent Covid-19 Vaccines — A Cautionary Tale
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2215780%EF%BF%BC
Research studies:
- The Incidence of Myocarditis and Pericarditis in Post COVID-19 Unvaccinated Patients—A Large Population-Based Study
https://www.mdpi.com/2077-0383/11/8/2219
- Myocarditis Cases Reported After mRNA-Based COVID-19 Vaccination in the US From December 2020 to August 2021
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788346
- **Myopericarditis After COVID-19 mRNA Vaccination Among Adolescents and Young Adults
A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis December 5, 2022**
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2798866?guestAccessKey=849e80f0-4a29-4d04-9e1f-34c73224f8c9&utm_source=silverchair&utm_campaign=jama_network&utm_content=car_weekly_highlights&cmp=1&utm_medium=email
- Covid-19 vaccination BNT162b2 temporarily impairs semen concentration and total motile count among semen donors
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/andr.13209
* Extended SARS-CoV-2 RBD booster vaccination induces humoral and cellular immune tolerance in mice
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2589004222017515
Case studies:
- COVID-19 Vaccination-Induced Ventricular Fibrillation in an Afebrile Patient With Brugada Syndrome
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9623033/
- Case report: Myocarditis with nonsustained ventricular tachycardia following COVID-19 mRNA vaccination in a female adolescent
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9720276/pdf/fped-10-995167.pdf
- Torsades de pointes following vaccination for COVID-19
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8993415/
>But at this point it has undergone all the same tests as any medication and there isnt much science to suggest caution is anymore justified than with any other medication or vaccine really.
The safety profile of the mRNA vaccines is not set in stone and will continue to be questioned as more data is reveled and research conducted, the same way as any medication really e.g. Bextra.
>On April 7, 2005, Pfizer withdrew Bextra from the U.S. market on recommendation by the FDA, citing an increased risk of heart attack and stroke and also the risk of a serious, sometimes fatal, skin reaction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valdecoxib
Pfizer drug breach ends in biggest US crime fine
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2009/sep/02/pfizer-drugs-us-criminal-fine
@empiricism This is an example were that plastics end up.
The plastics bottling companies need to pay for this!
Void Abyss
boosted
@0 That's a reasonable take on the current situation.
@freemo
> Its important to note, as well, this issue was discovered before the vaccines had final (non-emergecy use) approval. So still well within the time we expect these sort of minor things to pop up.
I already mentioned this issue in my orignal post pointing to Pfizer own clinical trial data.
>- CUMULATIVE ANALYSIS OF POST-AUTHORIZATION ADVERSE EVENT REPORTS OF PF-07302048 (BNT162B2) RECEIVED THROUGH 28-FEB-2021
https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf
>In short there is nothing to indicate the safety of the vaccine is still in question, quite the opposite that by this point the risks are very well known and its safe to say that it is safe with high confidence.
I respect your opinion, but I value excess precaution as I am looking forward to more research studies on this matter.
> but to claim they are dangerous is a huge leap, nor supported by anything you posted.
I never claimed that the vaccines are dangerous.
The main point of my post is that the safety profile of the **mRNA vaccines** are debatable and the research on this matter is still ever-evolving as more data is revealed and more studies are conducted.
The second point is regarding mandating the mRNA vaccines and vaccines passports. You already mentioned that you are against vaccines mandates
The forth paper was regarding the initial clinical trials of the vaccines and how they were never tested for the virus transmission making vaccine passports absurd.
@freemo Have you even bothered to read my post or look up the scientists I mentioned?
- Dr. Peter A McCullough, MD, MPH
- Citations 67165
- h-index 122
- i10-index 492
https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=LzqEaOkAAAAJ&hl=en&oi=ao
- Dr. Robert W Malone, MD
- Citations 13671
- h-index 32
- i10-index 53
https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=Jf1bApYAAAAJ
- Dr. Aseem Malhotra
- 21 Publications 591 Citations
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Aseem-Malhotra
I know how to determine the experts in the subject matter and the fringe doctors.
- Jeffrey Phillips Freeman
- Citations 29
- h-index 2
- i10-index 2
https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=Gbd9WfgAAAAJ
As for peer reviewed research papers there are plenty in my original post:
>- Myocarditis after BNT162b2 mRNA Vaccine against Covid-19 in Israel
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2109730
>- Cardiogenic shock revealing myocarditis after mRNA vaccination against covid-19: Case report and brief review for the first case in Morocco
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8716151/
>- Serious adverse events of special interest following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination in randomized trials in adults
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9428332/
>- Will covid-19 vaccines save lives? Current trials aren’t designed to tell us
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037.long
@freemo I am not asserting anything, I asked an open question and brought dissenting opinion to the main narrative based on ever-evolving scientific research and renown scientists perspective on the matter.
If you don't like my approach that's fine, but find your responses very condescending.
I already stated there is no point continuing this conversation.
@freemo Albert Einstein has faced tremendous challenges not only in this career as a pioneer physicist but also due to his Jewish origin.
Many medical doctors are in fear to lose their job or medical license if they report adverse events or speak against the "scientific consensus".
Since you deemed questioning the scientific consensus borderline conspiracy theory, I don't see the point continuing that conversation.
@freemo I am not comparing scientific progress, I am comparing the scientific mindset e.g. Hippocratic Oath "First do no harm" ~400 BC which is still relevant to this day.
@freemo
Every generation deem it-self as modern era going back to the Greek civilization and beyond.
Reading about Electromagnetism, how the scientific consensus evolved through out the centuries and still ongoing is quite fascinating and humbling.
@freemo
The scientific consensus evolves/improve over time by making observations, data gathering, forming hypothesis, analysis and open honest scientific debate.
How many times a *scientific consensus* has been disproven partially or completely by a small group of scientists that eventually get vindicated?
I am a little bit shocked and disappointed by your response as you deemed that I am spreading *conspiracy theories*.
I can't engage in a productive conversation with you based on that premise.
I never mentioned my vaccination status, and you called me an *idiot* for not getting vaccinated, even though I got the Sinopharm shots to comply with #covid19 vaccination mandate.
Thank you Dr. Freemo for this platform #qoto and have a good day.
You proven yourself to be an idiot who can't even differentiate between propaganda and source materiel from the World Health Summit.
Not wasting my time with a dumb troll.
@jpop @freemo
Yes I confirmed your argument, mRNA technology isn't new, it has been used to create new vaccines.
If you didn't like that website you can check the source video https://youtu.be/OJFKBritLlc?t=5859
Yes mRNA isn't new it used to be called gene therapy, vaccines based on mRNA technology are new.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/bayer-executive-mrna-shots-are-gene-therapy-marketed-as-vaccines-to-gain-public-trust/
I am genuinely interested to understand how can a scientist claim that the new mRNA vaccine technology is 100% safe **and** doesn't have any significant long term health effects?
There is a clear bias in the scientific community, pharmaceutical companies and public health authorities to push one simplistic narrative that the mRNA vaccine is **safe and effective**. Any dissenting opinion questioning the mRNA vaccine safety or efficacy is labeled idiot, conspiracy theorist and anti-vax.
This toxic scientific debate climate makes critical data gathering and research challenging. Most career driven scientists, medical doctors or researchers don't want to go against the main narrative and lose their credentials and livelihood.
Questioning the safety and efficacy of mRNA vaccines represent a threat to the institutions mandating and advocating for that technology. A threat that might lead to vaccine hesitancy, lost in credibility, lost of financial revenue and legal liability.
There are few brave scientists with a good track records of scientific research, publications and citations. I can't name them all, these are a few top ones that I followed their work on this topic:
- Dr. Peter A. McCullough, MD, MPH
https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/
https://rumble.com/v218tu4-dr.-mccullough-with-joe-rogan-pandemic-grand-rounds-for-the-public.html
- Dr. Robert Malone MD, MS
https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/
https://rumble.com/v1f45vl-dr-robert-malone-parents-before-you-inject-your-child-with-the-covid-vaccin.html
- Geert Vanden Bossche PhD, DVM
https://substack.com/profile/57302394-geert-vanden-bossche
https://rumble.com/v17vsl5-why-you-never-mass-vaccinate-into-a-pandemic-monkeypox-and-a-better-way-gee.html
- Dr. Claire Craig
https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath
https://rumble.com/v19pf5z-dr.-claire-craig-exposes-fraudulant-phizer-covid-drug-trials.html
- Dr Aseem Malhotra
https://twitter.com/DrAseemMalhotra
https://rumble.com/v22t192-dr.-aseem-malhotra-promoted-mrna-vaccine-now-warns-of-heart-risks-w-dr-kell.html
- Steve Kirsch
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/exclusive-proof-that-the-top-israeli
There is a clear signal form various public heath safety reporting data bases and scientific research that show an increase risk of Myocarditis after the mRNA injections:
- Myocarditis after BNT162b2 mRNA Vaccine against Covid-19 in Israel
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2109730
- Cardiogenic shock revealing myocarditis after mRNA vaccination against covid-19: Case report and brief review for the first case in Morocco
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8716151/
- The Pfizer Inoculations Do More Harm Than Good
https://rumble.com/vqx3kb-the-pfizer-inoculations-do-more-harm-than-good.html
Myocarditis is one advert event among many that **Pfizer own clinical trials** has revealed even before vaccine mass deployment.
- CUMULATIVE ANALYSIS OF POST-AUTHORIZATION ADVERSE EVENT REPORTS OF PF-07302048 (BNT162B2) RECEIVED THROUGH 28-FEB-2021
https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf
- Serious adverse events of special interest following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination in randomized trials in adults
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9428332/
I can't personally ignore or dismiss renown scientific researchers and medical doctors warnings regarding the vaccine safety and efficacy. I am not against vaccines in general, they truly save lives.
I am strongly against vaccine mandates and vaccine passports, especially since the #mRNA vaccines were never tested or designed to stop the #covid19 transmission.
- Will covid-19 vaccines save lives? Current trials aren’t designed to tell us
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037.long
- https://rumble.com/v1nhawe-pfizer-director-admits-vaccine-was-never-tested-on-preventing-transmission..html
I don't want to live in a future dystopian technocracy were the state controls all aspects of my life, I am **pro choice, liberty and informed consent**.
I hope that everyone that took the mRNA shots are and will be alright.
@freemo Dr. Freemo if you reading up to this, I hope you consider the scientific research I shared here, and acknowledge the concerns that some people have regarding the mRNA vaccines.
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@freemo@social.cleverlibre.org
@ringo If i wasnt clear about my position, your an idiot if you still think the shot is dangerous at this point, though I would have agreed with ex...
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