Void Abyss @voidabyss@social.cleverlibre.org

@empiricism Any meaningful impact to tackle climate change won't come from big gov, politician main job is to get reelected and to funnel tax money to their backers though shady big gov contracts (some are under the marketing term of Climate Change™)

If you're passionate of the issue of wood burning, then you should study and come up with better efficient cost effective heating system.

That's how we transform the negative aspects of our impact on the planet to positive ones.

Most of modern amenities
didn't exist 50 years ago, through innovation, technology and mass scale production those amenities become part of our normal daily life.

@empiricism I don't know how old are you, but some "adults" have no money to switch heating system nor to pay the monthly bills for electricity or gas. It's no a matter "evidence" but economic reality.

The online definition of Toxic positivity"
> is the belief that people should maintain a positive mindset no matter how dire or difficult a situation is, rejecting all difficult emotions in favor of a cheerful and often falsely-positive façade.
...
> To stop toxic positivity, clarify what you want from your conversation partner.

I don't know what you mean by 'Toxic positivity' in the context of this discussion, I was maybe wrongly assuming it was wishful thinking.

@empiricism

The is no 'toxic positivity', the future is bright and full of abundance for the people that love the planet, love humanity, love innovation and technology.

There are toxic minded people that are in fear, hate humanity and want to live in a state of scarcity.

But the real danger is big gov fascism trying to micro manage daily individuals activity for the sake of "reducing harmful activity".

@johnabs @freemo @bii

I really like your take on this subject, it's well written out and to the point.

@empiricism

It's not all doom and gloom, we have to keep a positive outlook on the future and make individual positive changes that reduce our impact on the planet and be wary of big gov fascist control solutions for climate change.

@users toots per day metric is very strange, seems like non organic activity to me.

@samuraikid crazy art, I don't know what to think of it!

@freemo

> You said tattoos and scarification was **not** considered immoral

Where did I mentioned that? It is self-harm therefore it's immoral, I posted research study that mentioned the harm of tattooing on the immune system.
https://phys.org/news/2017-09-nanoparticles-tattoos-circulate-body.html

>The scientists report strong evidence for both migration and long-term deposition of toxic elements and tattoo pigments, as well as for conformational alterations of biomolecules that are sometimes linked to cutaneous inflammation and other adversities upon tattooing.

@freemo

>Are you suggesting that all people who get tattoos have some underlying emotional distress or suffering, and therefore is self harm?

No, many do that for those reasons, some people just copy what others do.(Herd mentality)
What determine self-harm is the net negative outcome on the individual and society unless it’s self-sacrifice.

The rule here is if it bad for the individual, it’s bad for society unless self-sacrifice.

Self-sacrifice might be perceived as bad for the individual but it’s a net positive for society.

@freemo yeah oops

>Are you suggesting that all people who get tattoos have some underlying emotional distress or suffering, and therefore is self harm?

No, many do that for those reasons, some people just copy what others do.(Herd mentality)
What determine self-harm is the net negative outcome on the individual **and** society unless it's self-sacrifice.

The rule here is if it bad for the individual, it's bad for society unless self-sacrifice.

Self-sacrifice might be perceived as bad for the individual but it's a net positive for society.

@freemo
> A tattoo or scarification is an example I would think you would agree with. I would hope you agree that these are not (usually) due to mental illness, they also dont benefit others, and do in fact cause harm to ones self. So how do we handle that in your model? Its clearly self-harm, but in your model its an exception somehow? why?

As I mentioned before, it's not only mental illness, It might be an emotional distress, underlying suffering or a coping mechanism, etc. The result is a net negative for the individual and society.

https://phys.org/news/2017-09-nanoparticles-tattoos-circulate-body.html

@gallus @Lapineige
Manifique!

@freemo
> I hope we agree not all self harm is due to underlying suffering or mental illness.

The is a category of self-harm that might not be due to underlying suffering or mental illness, which is Self-sacrifice, it involves enduring hardship and putting the needs and welfare of others before one's own, like voluntary soldiers, doctors, ems, nurses, etc. Self-sacrifice is often motivated by compassion, love, and a sense of duty towards others.

@freemo
> But as per the above, I hope we agree not all self harm is due to underlying suffering or mental illness.

I don't agree with that assessment, nor the examples your mentioned as "self-harm".

Here are some examples of self-harm and people engaging in those should seek help.

- Self-harm: This refers to intentionally causing harm to oneself, such as cutting, burning, or hitting oneself.
- Eating disorders: Conditions like anorexia nervosa, bulimia nervosa, and binge eating disorder are considered self-deviant behaviors as they involve unhealthy relationships with food and body image.
- Substance abuse: Engaging in excessive and harmful use of drugs or alcohol can be considered a form of self-deviance.
- Compulsive gambling: When someone develops an uncontrollable urge to gamble, even to the point of causing financial and personal problems, it is considered a self-deviant behavior.
- Addictive behaviors: This includes any behavior that becomes compulsive and interferes with daily life, such as excessive internet use, gaming addiction, or shopping addiction.

@freemo
Someone engaging in self-harm is an indication of underlying emotional distress or mental health issue.
Morality stems from your belief system and your ability to feel compassion. If you don't feel any compassion toward someone engaging in self-harm nor your belief system don't condone it, that might be an indication of a psychopathic tendencies.

@freemo Wow, for me, it's self-evident that self-harm is morally wrong, I just mention if we can't agree that simple principle, then we agree to disagree.