volkris @volkris@social.cleverlibre.org
Since I guess everything is political these days, I'll identify as extremely liberal but without a home in US politics.
Mainly, there's so much misinformation out there that people in society have trouble even organizing into coherent political groupings. So I'd rather not talk about politics but instead focus on information and education. Nothing else matters until the bedrock of fact is buttressed.
So: Old man yells at clouds is a famous joke from The Simpsons, and it probably fairly describes what we do when venting on social media.
Joined Dec 2022
The problem is that no, it's not the case that everyone told #Trump not to start shit with #Iran.
If only that had been true!
The Fox News crowd that leads Trump around spent years telling him to start that shit, so he dutifully did.
We need to emphasize that Trump is a follower, not a leader, who does what he's told, especially by idiots who believe childish stories that resonate with him.
Frankly, I wonder if this is a matter of British English, but those two paragraphs sounded somewhat incoherent to my ears, as bad editing, so the report had deeper problems there.
"part of which" and "This is to accomidate" were not precise in the story they were telling leaving "which" and "This" without clear references.
I think the goal of the article was to report Burnham's announcement, not to provide any analysis, with only a halfhearted attempt at context to fill out word count.
Their messages are whatever they want to use their accounts to broadcast. Obviously journalists and economists will have different messages.
Whatever they have to say, that platform is an effective way of transmitting it, so they use it.
@collectifission
@TCatInReality seems like it does mention that side with the quotes from the guy emphasizing privatization.
It's no mystery. They're there because the platform generally meets their needs for getting their messages out broadly and effectively.
Regardless of downsides, the upsides still outweigh particularly due to network effects.
Oh, good idea.
Yeah, ActivityPub relies on instances kind of subscribing to each other, so I imagine remote instances don't know to send content to cleverlibre.org instead of qoto, but resubscribing to feeds would update that subscription.
@nibble4bits Oh hey, your reply landed in my notifications on the site! Some things seem to be working!
Glancing around I don't see any status announcements anywhere I can think to look.
Maybe pinging @freemo here could help?
@darulharb because there's more to the world than money.
Nobody lost money? So what?
@nibble4bits possibly.
When I log in it looks like a lot of my user settings from qoto came over, but the home page doesn't show any posts from the lists.
Hopefully this is in the process of regenerating.
@0x1C3B00DA it's not so simple since this platform at its core sends content around without needing any permission of any users.
People are arguing about opt in versus opt out are missing that the nature of ActivityPub that runs the Fediverse is under no obligation to comply with any opting of any sort anyway.
If anything, a lot of people have opted in without realizing what they have opted in to.
@weirdwriter I don't think the problem is opt out versus opt-in but rather the focus on putting instances ahead of users.
Unfortunately that's just a core design decision of the system that runs the Fediverse
@heretical_i It wouldn't stop the bloodletting.
It would just involve yourself in the bloodletting as well.
@wjmaggos it would be nice to at least see talk about user focus, even if its expressed as a longterm hope or a direction that we'd like to see development progress in.
Heck, if we talk about such things then who knows if a developer with experience in, say, email spam filtering might not be able to offer a relatively easy solution from solved problems in that world.
However, I see so much talk about server focus without and developing things to help servers that talk of user focus is starkly absent.
If these are problems to be handled by a more developed ecosystem, all the more reason to start working and highlighting them now.
@wjmaggos that's a great example I might use, as email server spam protection very often works with users to tailor filters for each one.
So we could focus on doing similar things here.
For generations now we've watched email server spam filters try various ways to tailor themselves to each user, with techniques ranging from analyzing frequent contacts through feedback mechanisms.
Let's learn from that and follow the example here!
@taco no, that's not what the case rested on.
This was a case about regulatory process, not about data.
The administration is required by law to follow certain procedures, which it didn't follow. THAT is what the judge is judging.
The administration might have rejected misleading studies in the course of following the legal process, but regardless, that's not the question before the court.
It reminds of Federalist 51 where Hamilton (maybe) laid out the reason for designing a government that could function even with bad people involved.
> But what is government itself, but the greatest of all reflections on human nature? If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself.
It seems like you're misunderstanding over and over.
For example, when you say that has nothing to do with efficiency, I say YES! That's exactly my point!
It doesn't have to do with efficiency, which is why we need to stop acting like it does!
The purchase price in energy for Bitcoin is not about efficiency but about value. The energy traded for Bitcoin doesn't have anything to do with efficiency, so let's stop buying into the stories saying it does.
BECAUSE it's about value and not efficiency, let's stop misunderstanding that as a metric for efficiency.
@dalfen a problem is that if people just stop at your excerpt instead of going out of their way to read the rest, then what they'll see won't be an accurate version of the statement.
So it's not so much seeing what they want in it, but they won't see it at all.
That's the problem. There is so much misleading information out there caused not by what people want to see but rather claims that are incomplete (at best) in factual terms.
@wjmaggos but therein lies the problem :)
How does the server know what the user would consider crap vs what they want?
And even harder, how does the server deal with two different users having vastly different judgments about that?
This is the problem with focusing on servers.
It's exactly why I think we should rather focus on users, letting them control what they see, based on what they would find to be crap vs wanted content.
@HeavenlyPossum selfless?
Whoever said selfless?
No, it's even better, it's an alignment of interests.
No need to rely on selflessness that might disappear from day to day.
Since I guess everything is political these days, I'll identify as extremely liberal but without a home in US politics.
Mainly, there's so much misinformation out there that people in society have trouble even organizing into coherent political groupings. So I'd rather not talk about politics but instead focus on information and education. Nothing else matters until the bedrock of fact is buttressed.
So: Old man yells at clouds is a famous joke from The Simpsons, and it probably fairly describes what we do when venting on social media.
Joined Dec 2022
