Paul Sutton @zleap@social.cleverlibre.org

@bonifartius @catvalente

Long reply to this too

Agreed, the issue with "the whole "be nice" stuff is a lie, it's not being nice that's wanted but "shut up and play along" to whatever thing is the current thing." Yeah sometimes the saying ' cruel to be kind' works, so in some cases you just say shut up and grow up.

I think people perhaps need a proper outlet for agression, so at one time we had national service for people a call up to serve in the military. I agree on values, people lack family, some kids are neglected / abuse, abandoned to the streets, so the only family they find are gangs, who groom them in to thinking that their family don't like them, it is their fault and they are worthless. Once done the grooming carries on so the gang say that person is worth something, oh here is a new phone, now here are some drugs to sell etc. That young person has found a new family, they just don't have that persons interest at heart, as they are expendable.

One way to do this is to have more sports clubs for example so children can develop and channel their agression, ideally not football (soccer) as I really don't think that there is much in the way of respect for officials in a lot of games. But martial arts teaches you discipline and control for example.

In terms of productive force for good, many of the jobs traditionally undertaken by men are gone, the tough jobs like mining, industry, car making etc, gone or replaced by robots. Working in coal (or any) mine was very tough, so perhaps left little time for anything else.

We can't go back, but education systems need to adapt so they are not producing people for obsolete jobs, we need science, technology, engineering and maths, which can be done by everyone, (as can mining of course), people who can think, question, adapt, develop new ideas, express ideas freely and improve.

In that respect we need more clubs that focus on those topics, but we need employers to get on board and support them (and as a person who runs such clubs, employers are no where to be seen) kids need role models to set the example and encourage development of these skills, they also need parents who are supportive and take them to clubs and take an interest.

@cully45

Indeed, more than a joke, the west is probably a laughing stock.

@rbreich I would like to propse the following

Accelerate a colony on Uranus
Set up a parliament consisting of the current UK converatives on one side, and the US GOP on the other, they can then figure out who can rule Uranus.

That way sensible, rational people can figure out how to do things on Earth with the people at the centre of that.

@cully45

It looks like one from here in the UK, we need stability in the US,

The west is doomed at the moment.

@fivetonsflax

Users need to check on copyright infringement, with any luck a class action will send Adobe to /dev/null

@pieist The only way to address the whole issue, is to call a general election. They know full well they will lose, and very badly.