@mangeurdenuage Growing potatoes yourself rocks. Sad that my garden has bad soil for growing anything
@giru
>Sad that my garden has bad soil for growing anything
Why kind of soil do you have ?
Mine was inadequate too. It was mostly backfilling of rocks and similar. The few centimeters of fertile soil was there because it formed over the past seven decades, otherwise just rocks.

Last year I had to start with raised beds and add composted material into them and grow in a few square meters.

This year I doubled the surface of the raised beds and removed all the grass and other plants by putting a large amount of woodchips.

Soil composition is important if you want to maximize as much as possible growth of certain vegetable, but that's kinda reserved to very dedicated people or farmers. In general if you stay with good compost, woodchip mulch and a touch of compost tea you'll have satisfying results.

If you want a bit of information before starting anywhere I'd recommend to watch the "Back To Eden Gardening Documentary"
https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=6rPPUmStKQ4
and then read "Teaming with Microbes" which I added in this post.
I cannot highly recommend enough to read this book, it's a must if you want to do a veggie garden and avoid a lot of pain.
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@mangeurdenuage @giru

you could try different plants. i have a really sandy and sour soil here, potatoes, fava beans, and miners lettuce are doing well, everything else not so much. my pumpkin/squash is barely growing, corn is only doing okish. my onions and tomatoes aren't doing so well either. fava beans have the perk that they fixiate nitrogen.

@giru @mangeurdenuage

there should be some cheap tests that you can buy.

i just assume that it's likely to be sour here as there is always much oak foliage.

@giru @bonifartius
You've got testers that exist.
But you should better think what kind of dominating micro organism is in your soil instead of thinking of the ph value.
It's in the book that I shared.
@giru @bonifartius
If you want to test there a tons of them on ebay.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1311&_nkw=ph+tester+soil&_sacat=0

TL;DR for the book, in general a high PH indicates a soil dominated by bacteria (alkaline), and a soil with low PH indicates a soil dominated by fungi (acid).
Grass for example is neutral, between 7 and 8.
@bonifartius @giru
>i have a really sandy and sour soil here, potatoes, fava beans, and miners lettuce are doing well,
Sand carrots could also grow in your soil.
My soil was completely inadequate for of a lot of plants, besides grass, nettles and raspberries nothing would have grown properly in it.
@giru @bonifartius
I haven't confirmed it yet but raspberries seem to develop much better when the soil is fungal dominated than bacterial dominated.

As for rhubarb I do not know, I'm still waiting for kokopelli to have some seeds for me to plant ;;
https://kokopelli-semences.fr/fr/

@giru @mangeurdenuage where are you from? in germany there's bingenheimer saatgut (who seem to share a spirit with kokopelli), they say that they ship to other countries, too: bingenheimersaatgut.de/en/info

@giru @bonifartius
>Too bad I don't know french
You can always use lingva, it's an AGPLv3 proxy for google translate: https://lingva.ml/
@giru @bonifartius
If you can host one, or propose a friend to host his own please do.
Like the fediverse a unique server can't handle everyone.
Also if you did not know there's also searx, which is a meta-search that proxies search engine requests:
https://searx.github.io/searx/
List of instances
https://searx.space/
@mangeurdenuage @bonifartius I knew about searx. Just didn't know there was something like a google translate frontend. I probably should use searx, until now I have been using duckduckgo. Any good searx instance? I have encountered some problems with searx in the past
@giru @bonifartius
https://searx.xyz/
https://searx.info
I don't have much issue because I don't rely on google. My only issue is that some instance don't activate ddg per default in their configuration.
What I recommend you to do is to activate it, if you don't know here's a video.

@mangeurdenuage @giru

huh, never heard of them! i'll try them out next year if i can find seeds for them here :)

> My soil was completely inadequate for of a lot of plants, besides grass, nettles and raspberries nothing would have grown properly in it.

yes, there are also many raspberries, ground elder and nettles here, at least you can eat those as well :P . i have compost going, but that's probably not ready until next year. maybe i'll just put the pumpkin seeds directly in it then ;)

@bonifartius @giru
>never heard of them! i'll try them out next year if i can find seeds for them here
As far as I've tried there seeds I'm satisfied, I going to try to harvest some seed of my veggies and flowers this year.
The perk is that none of their seeds are under a proprietary license/patent so you're free as you can be.

> at least you can eat those as well
Indeed. I enjoy very much nettle soup. Going to try to harvest and dry raspberry leaves this year since apparently you can infuse them.

>i have compost going, but that's probably not ready until next year.
Same, part of it is done by my hens but I still have a lot of work on that part, I made a priority on water my supply capacity...

@mangeurdenuage @giru

> The perk is that none of their seeds are under a proprietary license/patent so you're free as you can be.

that's what i did with the fava beans of last year, worked beautifully! it's really nice that stores like bingenheimer/kokopelli exist :)

> Indeed. I enjoy very much nettle soup. Going to try to harvest and dry raspberry leaves this year since apparently you can infuse them.

never tried nettle soup! i'm happy that the raspberries are flowering very well this year, i'm going to have berries 😋

> Same, part of it is done by my hens but I still have a lot of work on that part, I made a priority on water my supply capacity...

i want hens too, but i don't really have that much time currently to build a shed for them etc. fortunately there's an egg farm with free roaming chickens not far away :)

@bonifartius @giru
>it's really nice that stores like bingenheimer/kokopelli exist
Just like the FSF we need people like this.
It's sad that it's not the facto standard tho.

>never tried nettle soup!
If you do take young nettle and not old nettle, old are edible but will give you a lot of strong fiber that you will not be able to eat.

>i'm going to have berries
Same. Last year I moved 55 foots of raspberries to make my veggie garden, some of them died, and we still had fruits, this year, the mulch that I added acted like magic, it's a jungle.

>but i don't really have that much time currently to build a shed for them etc
I wasn't able to make them a solid shelter due to time but I made them a temporary shelter for rain and snow, simple metal sheets.
Other than that they like to hang/sleep on the tree branches.

@mangeurdenuage @giru

> Just like the FSF we need people like this.
It's sad that it's not the facto standard tho.
💯

> Same. Last year I moved 55 foots of raspberries to make my veggie garden, some of them died, and we still had fruits, this year, the mulch that I added acted like magic, it's a jungle.

yeah, raspberries really are resilient :) i think i have to try mulch too for some things.

> currently to build a shed for them etc
I wasn't able to make them a solid shelter due to time but I made them a temporary shelter for rain and snow, simple metal sheets.
Other than that they like to hang/sleep on the tree branches.

i'm probably overthinking the whole chicken thing, but i want to take good care of them :) they at least need some protection/cover against the buzzard which lives near us :D

@bonifartius @giru
>hey at least need some protection/cover against the buzzard which lives near us
Indeed. I don''t have raptor issues since mine live in a small tree covered zone.
They are difficultly spotted by bird-preys.
I'm more worried about rats than that personally.
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