drug cartels, black market antiquity trades, hell—even the wholesale gutting of countries and material + personnel exploitation of nations

"well that's not *real* capitalism"

marxism has its fair share of problems but many distros of it are at least preferable to the alternatives they seek to patch. building a system essentially contingent upon cardinal sins is never going to yield good results; trusting that "market forces" or "invisible hands" will somehow iron out the kinks is just a bullshit way of sweeping glaring problems under a metaphorical rug while conveniently pretending as though they don't exist. furthermore, it's *knowingly* not self-correcting because corrections would require forms of regulation or moderation

even right-wing or pragmatic third position criticisms are valid and antidotes preferable to doing nothing
is marxism or its later derivatives viable solutions or answers to the problems of capitalism? i don't know. probably not, in all honesty. in actuality, many right-wing heterodox theories are probably better suited to moderating capitalism towards beneficial ends. if socialism really ought be "scientific" it should not be opposed to alternative theories either. dogmatism is going to get us nowhere.
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@kino my problem with either system is that both fuck you up if you aren't a good NPC. i just want to be left alone, have something to eat which isn't preprocessed to death and do something i deem constructive.

@bonifartius well in either case you can always detach from society completely and go live out in the woods or something. that or excel in a trade or craft and just be your own personal boss.

@kino well, at least with socialism that isn't a possible option imo. with capitalism you have to problem that a) living in the woods without relying on external food is near impossible, at least if you don't live where it's summer all year long. best possible bet is hunting, for that you likely need a license etc. b) big business will always out-compete your pricing for any goods you can do in trade or craft. ever increasing "safety" regulations etc. also play into the hand of the big players.

i'm not known for being an optimist ;)

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