@velartrill >while we live lives you couldn't dream of having
Post that one fucking image of the fallen obesity cart in the supermarket.

@Zergling_man the funniest part is i grew up in america and my life there was so hellish i was regularly suicidal. just visiting a US city for three months traumatized my german partner from the sheer amount of abject human misery and cruelty we were exposed to daily -- germans don't learn to turn off their empathy growing up like we do so it was unbearable. when i got to germany and saw what things are like here by comparison, how friendly and warm and caring germans are, well, part of me kept genuinely wondering if i'd actually died and gone to heaven, and was now getting to watch the sinners boil in their own shit from high up in the clouds. none of this is exaggeration. the US is *that* bad. the biggest problem i have fitting in here (after language) is my US self-defense instincts, they are very hard to turn off.

i have a suspicion that there was a very good reason all those mesoamerican empires performed such horrific ritual human sacrifices; when we stopped them i think it woke something up. the continent needs to be abandoned and quaratined; "here be dragons" was an understatement
@velartrill @Zergling_man Germany is rapidly being americanized. Things got so much worse here just in the past decade it unreal.

This is why the american empire must fall. ASAP.

@Ariovistus

> Germany is rapidly being americanized. Things got so much worse here just in the past decade it unreal.

couldn't have found better words. also we only get the shitty wokeness stuff, not the fun parts. :sadgunjesusface:

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@bonifartius @Ariovistus @Zergling_man oh boy i have complicated feelings about that.

on a personal level, the gun laws are basically the only thing i miss about america, but that's entirely because i'm a paranoid wreck who sees everything and everyone, including the government, as a potential enemy, and i'm terrified of being helpless getting abused again. there's also the fact that many of our cities have degenerated into lowkey warzones -- guns and blacks do NOT go well together.

german gun laws, as strict as they are, mostly seem essentially reasonable to me and i think they take a lot of good precautions that help avoid the kind of problems we have in the US. i don't actually think they would be *necessary* in a totally german country without any ethnic enclaves or racial tension and few or no africans, because germans on the whole seem to be extremely responsible and civic-minded in a way few americans are. culture matters enormously -- my home state of oregon had some of the most lax gun laws in the country and some of the least gun violence (even school shootings were very rare), all while tightly regulated states and cities still manage to have multiple bloodbaths a day.

the thing i like about german gun laws is, to get a gun just because you want one, you essentially have to subject yourself to community supervision, and you have to get training. i don't know of anywhere in the US that requires you to get firearms training, and certainly none of them require you to join a gun club. i could have walked into a gun shop on my 18th birthday, three years before i could legally purchase alcohol, and just bought myself a semiautomatic rifle on a whim, no (well, few) questions asked. and a big problem is that lots of people, especially in the red states, just don't *respect* guns for how dangerous and deadly they are. they treat them like hammers at best, toys at worst. and this is why we have so many accidental discharge shootings and deaths.

i'm all for civilian gun ownership, but i really think it should be of the "well-regulated militia" kind. bc giving a gun to an untrained civilian *will* make any conceivable emergency situation worse, and if it's not an emergency situation, then someone with training needs to stay in arms' reach of them until they eject the clip and put the thing down. you should have to demonstrate to, ideally, a soldier that you're able to handle the thing competently + responsibly and remain cool-headed "under fire" before anyone even considers allowing you to have one of the things in your home. so needing to be part of a schützenbund makes a lot of sense, especially because just being part of a local social club on its own is a very real safeguard against violent behavior. (non-gang related gun crime in the US is mostly of the "desperate loner fed up with being treated like shit by the world and just wanting to get some revenge before they make the pain stop" variety, especially the school shootings.)

tbh i think guns are the only fun part of american culture that's even left, the rest is all empty, shallow woke consumerism, obesity, selfishness, and bloodthirsty ignorance. i don't even feel that i *have* any heritage as an american, nothing to connect me to "my people" (it feels silly even using the phrase, since i feel nothing for them and never have).

@velartrill

i guess people like ian or hickok aren't exemplary for how most people are.

maybe the idea of US founding fathers about an armed populace doesn't apply today anymore because the populace changed.

i agree that training should be required to get a gun, the proper storage parts of the law also are sensible. i think the german gun laws are just a bit too much. iirc, you _have_ to compete if you want to own guns. i don't want to compete, i want to relax a bit shooting at stuff or do things like 2-gun matches if it's about competing. just shooting paper targets at the range is boring. the most fun you can have here maybe is clay shooting.

you also can get a hunters license, which costs several thousand euros in practice. i'm vegetarian since ages, so there goes that. although, _if_ i start to eat meat again, it's probably something i slaughtered myself. have to have the guts for killing and preparing to get to eat meat :)

i think the swiss have the best concept for this whole gun topic, but it isn't applicable to germany. it's a cultural thing there.

to return to the original topic, the thing which annoys me the most about todays germany is the combination of the classic german over-regulation with the ultrawoke-culture where you get canceled for sane opinions we imported from america. it could be _so_ fucking nice here in europe if we just get our shit together. we have the means and all the opportunities, but somehow the motive is lost between all the bullshit and dystopian rainbow capitalism which takes your last penny.

@Zergling_man @Ariovistus

@mute_city @bonifartius @Ariovistus @Zergling_man i'm always reminded of the bank on cap hill that always kept a pride flag hanging in its window
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that's the point, it's only diversity if it brings in profits. take all the greenwashing, you have to buy new things to be green while just keeping old stuff is likely the most ecological thing you can do. don't have to buy new vegan shoes if your 10 year old leather ones are perfectly fine 💁

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