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so, we switch to battery electric vehicles, charged via already fragile power grids, powered by renewables known for their constant stable output. and the cars get remote kill switches too.

doesn't sound like a bad idea at all! at least if you want means to prevent rapid movement of your "citizens" :)

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renewables aren't bad, but we really need more converting of electricity to hydrogen, methane or liquid fuels (existing processes!). charging batteries is bullshit.

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much like cryptocoins there is a terrible signal/noise ratio with renewables. so many shortsighted inefficient wasteful ideas. both have the potential to be amazing, both are fucked by few big players in for the quick buck.

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@bonifartius decentral mini hydro and solar thermal - okay. But steel and concrete production with panels? Never. Then there is the problem if reinvesting energy for maintenance. Oil and coal has practically none. Gas too very low. Available ebergy to society will plunge. No more wide range travel etc. and consumption will be down.

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@CapitalB with "decentral mini" anything is good, because it depends on where you are.

of course fossil fuel has much energy, but i'm usually also arguing for less consumption in general. there used to be appliances which worked decades. there are so many things produced with planned obsolescence it's not even funny.

that alone would save a huge part of fossil resources, which are, imo, too valuable to be used for energy. maybe with the exception of the things you noted (concrete, etc.). we'll never have replicators, we need the substances found in fossils, with oil containing the most useful. energy can be "harvested" with many different methods.

i think that the current goal is to keep up consumption of bullshit and reduce other freedoms because individual freedom doesn't generate profits. netflix & chill.

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@bonifartius netflix and chill indeed. I shiver, that I cant move beyond "county lines" anymore just bc somebody said so. We have trains here going through Europe but if the cars are fubar then trains cant pickup the slack.

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@CapitalB trains are technically good but too centrally controlled anyway. i don't trust the government (and other people, reading some stories of "unvaccinated" being kicked out of trains by the police using force and handcuffs) to not act like psychopaths.
with a car i can at least have some backup-canisters of fuel, and - for now - nobody can control every road.
i fucking hate that i feel to have to operate at this paranoia-level, but who knows what they'll come up next 💁

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