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@Hyolobrika@mstdn.io
in the end, no government. they more often than not turn out to be a bad idea.
regarding covid, the measures were and still are so much beyond rational thought here. nearly a year with very limited access to daily life for unvaccinated, basically shopping for food was the only allowed thing. broken stuff? no home depot for unvaccinated.
when it was pretty clear that vaccinated are spreading as well, things weren't relaxed but kept and sometimes increased, because of reasons that were increasingly bullshit.
my real point is that the whole idea of checking ones vaccination status to "do things" is evil. you have such ideas if you are a fascist, not if you want the common good.
it was and is a power grab by governments out of the book. the flu kills more and nobody ever thought it would be wise to do these things, precisely as it would be regarded as power grab and limiting freedom in a way unacceptable.
@straw
at the deadliest point of the first wave, there were 48k confirmed cases and 6k deaths in one week, many thousands followed, and in total I think there were 150k cases in the first wave, with maybe 25k deaths. this high mortality rate was likely due to overload of the healthcare system.
in comparison, the wave in January this year saw almost 1 million cases in a single week, but only saw 1000-1500 deaths per week (which, considering the case numbers, would have been much, much higher if this had happened at the start of the pandemic, when the healthcare system was not prepared)
@straw
just random google:
> For example, according to the Robert Koch Institute (RKI), an estimated 25,100 people in Germany died due to influenza during the 2017/2018 flu season, but only 1674 influenza-associated deaths were officially reported [3]. As in-hospital mortality is not collected as part of RKI influenza surveillance, no data are available on this.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7520163/
25k are in the same ballpark as the ~100k for covid, imho.
as highlighted in the last sentence, the way we arrive at these numbers is already problematic. with covid, it seems everyone who tested positive was counted as covid death, even if it was totally unrelated.
if my government succeeded with anything, its pushing me into being a total liberitarian.
@Hyolobrika@mstdn.io
in the US:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
and the flu is much more difficult to manage, as it's impossible to develop a single vaccine for it since every year you basically get a different variant. luckily, a flu shot is available every year, at least in the US, and it's highly recommended that people get one so they don't die of the flu.
@straw
we only have the "official numbers", no way to know ;) my half-educated guess is "same ballpark" depending on the flu.
RKI in germany is supervised by the ministry of interior. the people at RKI sure want to keep their jobs. doesn't mean the numbers are outright faked, but the methodology will be tuned to what is expected as result, with plausible deniability. always has been this way, everywhere, any time. no conspiracy required.
@Hyolobrika@mstdn.io
