@cyberspook @11112011 @7 @bonifartius @helene @ins0mniak

> Plan9 may be utilizing the mouse well but the mouse navigation as a whole **feels** different, it's an entirely different way to look at things.

I know, as I covered elsewhere.

> You gain in one area, you lose in another.

If you look at the larger picture, the system as a whole, this is a small concern at the bottom of the list. People complain about the parentheses in Lisp, note that M-LISP was a thing and that it's possible in theory to do your math all infix-y by means of a complicated system of pulleys and levers implemented as macros, but nobody does Lisp that way: anyone that knows enough Lisp to write that also knows enough Lisp to know why you don't need it, and the prefix syntax and all the parentheses seem like a small concern. Same thing with Forth. Same thing with monolithic applications and Unix programming (which favors small programs in pipelines), in fact.

@p @7 @11112011 @ins0mniak @helene @bonifartius @cyberspook what's the lore behind 9front? is all the progressivism ironic?

@straw @11112011 @7 @bonifartius @cyberspook @helene @ins0mniak I don't have any "lore" around.

@p @7 @11112011 @ins0mniak @helene @bonifartius @cyberspook mmmmmm

is 9front's progressivism a joke or not?

@straw @11112011 @7 @bonifartius @cyberspook @helene @ins0mniak Maybe it's a filter, but I think it's reasonable to unironically dislike Nazism. What does it matter? It's software. The guy that runs the website put some icons on the website like it's 1998 and maybe he's joining a webring.

Insisting on ideological purity from the developers of software is the worst thing someone can do. Mastodon sucks because it sucks, not because it's run by a bunch of...I don't even know what. Soapbox sucks because it sucks, not because Gleason is a male-feminist vegan that wants to go full- on trans people. Akkoma doesn't get any magical fairy dust for being STUNNING AND BRAVE, it's just the dev branch for Pleroma with some bad ideas merged in. Pleroma is wonderful software and this, as far as I can tell, has nothing to do with feature bounties having been paid by a cam site, despite Gleason's retarded "BALORMO TRAFFICS CHILDREN" rant, and despote all the allegations of the trans people hacking on Pleroma being secretly transphobic Nazis. The FSF wants to kick out and that's a travesty, because it doesn't matter what Stallman's personal opinions on are. Linus getting strong-armed into adding a Code of Conduct. All of it. It's cancer. Good software is good software, bad software is bad software, and none of the rest of it matters.

I boot up this software and I enjoy what happens. 9front is not the only version of Plan 9 available; I use ANTS. 9legacy is good too. At no point has anything political happened to me when running this software (except occasionally if I execute fortune(1) or something). That is exactly what I want when I run software. I do not have much interest in the political leanings of anyone involved in the project: code is code. I barely have interest in anyone's political leanings. I just don't care: politics is the most boring possible topic on earth. Political philosophy is interesting, geopolitics is interesting, regular philosophy is interesting; I'm not even doing those on here until I am posting from Revolver, though, and after last week (fiasco week) and this week (hell week) I am fresh out of fucks to give about anyone being worried that someone else might be or .

I've gotten this question about a million times and my answer from now on is that if it's important to you, go run an OS written by people that agree with you. If it is not important to you, it is good software, try it out. If you don't want to try it out, that's fine. If you don't want to try it out because you don't like the website made by someone in charge of making the website for this fork of this OS, I'll make fun of you, but I won't care. I'm not especially trying to evangelize it: the perpetual drive for YOLD killed Linux. You can build something that a small number of people love, or that a large number of people kinda like. Plan 9 is something a small number of people really love. I really love it; I would like to share it with people that I think would also love it. Consider spicy food: you can make something that's extremely spicy, burns people up, and a handful of people will enjoy it and the rest will have a painful experience. If you make something that's fairly spicy, it'll appeal to more people; if you make something that's completely bland, it'll be edible for everyone but the people that want really spicy food are going to be unhappy with it. So it is a comfortable OS for hacking, I recommend it to hackers, I talk about it a lot because I like it, but I don't mind if it doesn't get popular: to become popular, it would have to dilute the things that make it interesting. This disincentivizes me from caring if some superficial thing puts somebody off, like if they don't like some icons on a website and they're more worried about that than the code.

@p @straw @11112011 @7 @bonifartius @cyberspook @helene @ins0mniak
>Insisting on ideological purity from the developers of software is the worst thing someone can do.

I agree but the issue with this kind of grandstanding is that it generally implies that the *developer* insists on ideological purity from its *users*. This also sends the message that ideological purity takes priority over everything, which leads to software that does not prioritize function or efficiency. Just take a look at AntiX Linux. Why is the very first adjective they use to describe it "proudly anti-fascist"? How does that benefit me as a user of this software? Why the hell even bring up fascism in the first place? I think in the last 8 years people have lost the mental maturity to not publicly shout and complain about every little annoyance in places where it's completely irrelevant.
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@ScatmansWorldFSE
Pretty sure it's just trolling fascists. I think they added that because they included some anti-authoritarian anti-Zionist texts with the distro. The motto clears up the assumption that they're anti-Semites, as well as scares away actual Nazis.

There's a difference between being anti-fascist and being a woke zealot, don't forget. As I said, I am anti-fascist myself.
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@cyberspook @ScatmansWorldFSE
just don't use it? it's debian based after all, much to choose from in that department.

also, people who have to virtue signal their "anti fascism" the loudest are those who wouldn't notice fascism anyway, as they have turned into what they hate most.

@11112011 @ins0mniak @helene @7 @p @straw