@freemo also in what world is Biden charismatic??

He's a semi-senile guy that looks 80 and is barely able to say a sentence in one go.

@Matter Its all relative. He is far far more charismatic than Trump could ever hope to be. Though I do agree he could be more charismatic, comparing charisma to trump is going to make anyone look good.

@freemo

@bhart What word, charisma? Are you really of the opinion that Trump is more charismatic than Biden? Really? The man as a bocab of like 8 words.

@freemo Yeah, I can see what you are getting at.

But charisma is subjective, and to much of the US, Trump's "don't give a shit about anyone but US" attitude is highly charismatic.

To many dems, Biden is a bit slimy - riding on the coattails of a progressive dream but not likely to make much, if any of it, happen. I don't think he really inspired even a majority of democrats in the country.

@bhart I think you are confusing charisma with agreement or support/likability. There is certainly a group of people who agree with trump on many stances, including "lets only care about the US".. in turn this causes people to like him for president and support him because they agree with him. That is not the same as charisma however.

The vast majority of people who voted Trump, in my opinion. did so more because they agreed with his policies more so than Biden. but in the same breath most of the people are quick to point out that Trump is not very charismatic and that they simply have to overlook the **way** he talks and see past it to agree with what he is saying.

So while i agree biden may come across a bit slimy, and trump may have a stance some people like and agree with, overall I'd say even most trump supporters would gree biden is the more charismatic one, even though they like biden less than trump. In fact I've had many people state that the reason they support trump is his lack of charisma, because they feel charismatic leaders can hide their bad deeds more easily (and in that sense I would even agree as a general notion).

@Matter Yes trump is an anti-climate nut job, I agree, and yes in terms of environment Trump is far worse, no argument there. As I've pointed out before climate and enviromental issues is the one place where I can say I'd expect some marginal improvement from Biden over Trump.

But no, that's not enough, or even comes close, to the bad things Biden has done, things that arent even in question, from supporting segregation to murdering a 16 year old US citizen without a trial.

@freemo What matters is what he does, and the platform he has chosen and the people he is surrounding himself with will not be very conducive to racist policies.

I am a bit concerned about Harris, but I mean compared to Handmaid's-Tale-Pence she will probably be great

@Matter He was surrounded by "good" people when he was vice president. Didnt prevent him and Obama from murdering that 16 year old kid and other citizens though did it?

Sorry but assuming some evil person will be ok because they surround themselves with people who are also evil but look good on paper doesnt solve the problem. It does however let the american public drink the kool aid and look the other way a bit easier.

You'd be amazed how most democrats never even heard about the murders under Obama despite the fact that it established fact from both sides, there was outcry from the ACLU and tons of civil rights groups, etc, yet democrats are like "what scandal, there was a scandal under obama"... Yea sorry but the democrats are good at doing evil in plain sight and making sure no one cares a lick about it, thats their thing.