@freemo as far as why those two?

because PIA has been tested in court, and mullvad comes highly recommended by cryptopunk-ish people.

@icedquinn yea, or why not expressvpn... those are good answers. If PIA stood their ground in court id be mroe likely to support them too.

That said if they were in the CIA's pocket I wouldnt be surprised if they would stage a fake court battle just to create public trust in them. the CIA is a crafty bunch.

@freemo torrentfreak seems to like them on the grounds they have stonewalled the RIAA a couple times.

@icedquinn banned by whom exactly, and what fuckup?

I only use them when i want to watch a a streaming video but i cant because of my geo location. It serves no other purpose for me personally.

@freemo there was an issue with some middleware but they were cagey about it https://techcrunch.com/2019/10/21/nordvpn-confirms-it-was-hacked/

@icedquinn good to know, glad I only use them for video streaming.

I basically picked them because after trying the alternatives they had the most geolocation options and the best ability to cycle through geo locations till i found one that I could stream through. I never really trusted them to handle anything other than some random netflix movies... good to know though, thanks.

@freemo for denying passive surveilance i don't know how much it matters which VPN you use.