@freemo you're shocked that there is intolerance for fascism? I find that bizarre.

@freemo most liberals are shocked to discover how much fascism there is. Only a tip of an iceberg was realised before Trump took power, and he showed us how big that iceberg really is.

@koherecoWatchdog each side deals in a different flavor of facism. The left tend to be the ones who talk more about facism being an evil, but are also the ones using facism just as much, if not more so, than the right.

The rights sort of fascism is a sense of national pride, for example a requirement you must honor and respect the sacrafice of our military. If I were to say "people in the US military are immoral for their choice in jobs and are effectively murderers" this would be unacceptable to someone on the right and they would likely get very mad at you.

But on the flip side the right also believes more strongly in free speech, so they would be the last ones to want to see a law that would put you in jail for saying such nasty things about members of the military. So the offense would be limited to a personal one and it would not play out as fascism from a legal standpoint if they had their way.

However the liberal/lefts would exhibit the opposite sort of fascism. They might not care so much if you honor the military, in fact some of them might even agree with me that the military as a profession equates to murder. But they would be far more likely to argue for limiting my freedom of speech and might argue that it is ok to be arrested, or at the very least campaign for you to loose your job and all your livlihood, over something you said they may have disagreed with. Sometimes even taking action to physically prevent the speech. A prime example of this are the liberals who destroyed property and even incited a riot in one situation in order to prevent Ben shapiro from given a talk in a closed space at various universities

Both are fascist, both in different ways, but the liberal fascism to me seems far more dangerous.

@freemo "But on the flip side the right also believes more strongly in free speech" <= not in the slightest. It just appears that way because their extremist Alex Jones-esque posts are being censored (they call it a free speech issue but the censorship is actually happening on private property [which is sacred to republicans until it works against them])

@freemo liberals are the champions of civil liberties (check out aclu.org). US republicans value the 2nd amendment to an extreme, but not the other major parts of the bill of rights.

@koherecoWatchdog That is the view they want people to have, I do not feel it resembles reality.

Both sides try to be the "champions" of civil liberties in different ways, both sides tend to oppress civil liberties in different ways. Republicans certainly do a far better job at protecting our right to guns for self defense, that is true, but they are also much stronger on the first amendment too IMO. Meanwhile liberals seem to be more concerned with addressing the injustice against poor people where the right is more than ok to let them rot (and neither side actually does a good job at actually affecting it for the better but atleast the liberals WANT to help the poor, even if they tend to make matters worse with their policies).

So yea, sorry but not seeing the left as the champions of civil liberties they make themselves out to be.

@freemo Most US republicans hate the ACLU and regard it as an enemy, which has free speech as a primary objective, along with the 4th amendment and right to vote. If the first amendment is your focus, ACLU is your org of choice, and you'd be a rare republican to support ACLU.

@koherecoWatchdog thats poor logic. Citing an organization where freedom of speech is simply one among many things they support, and then using that agency as a proxy for determining if a political side is for free speech or not totally misses the fact that the ACLU is for a **lot** of other things too that republicans may not be for (not saying thats right).. its an indirect way to get at the point and muddies the water to the point that we are no longer talking about if the republicans are more free speech or not but rather if they are more pro-ACLU or not.