@Faket yeah, and i even struggle with that. i've just never seen a revolution that doesn't end up hurting the lower class more than the upper... @freemo i think we're on the same page socially, but where you trust markets i see capitalism as a cancer. it's what makes debating so fun!

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And yes, we seem to mostly disagree on markets.. keep in mind I do not support free markets in their extreme. I feel there needs to be some regulation, but I would say that regulation needs to be minimized for the most part. You wont find me on the extreme end on any issue but you will often find me leaning to one side or another and when it comes to markets i lean fairly heavily towards free markets over highly regulated ones.

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@freemo @Faket in general i like to move slowly and methodically- the old 'what do we want?' 'evidence-based conclusions' 'when do we want them?' 'after peer review.' but with things like police and energy reform, i think that same evidence tells us those things need to happen much faster than reformism would allow, so i'm at a loss there.

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reformism is only slow when the people are undecided/split.. if everyone agrees strongly about what needs to be done it can happen extremely fast... Thing isI dont have faith in the people to make the right decisions so when they do all agree, which is rare, it usually isnt about the correct things anyway., nor are they willing to really put their ideas up to the test and change them if they dont pan out.. it tends to be more dogmatic.

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