@wowaname @meowski @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7 @freemo Biological sex is determined by gamete size, which is binary. There's only eggs and sperm, and egg producers and sperm producers. Gametes are entirely binary.

@wowaname @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7 @freemo @meowski Biological sex is about reproductive roles, nothing else matters for such purposes. There are no reproductive roles other than egg producer and sperm producer.

@ArdanianRight

So a woman born infertile or post menopause is not a woman, she has no sex since she can no longer reproduce?

Think what you want but thats just absurd.

@wowaname @meowski @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7

@freemo @wowaname @meowski @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7 You can call it whatever you want. The point is that there's no such thing as a non-binary reproductive role or a spectrum of reproductive roles.

@ArdanianRight

Sure, no one is claiming there is. A persons sex, however, is not defined or limited by their reproductive role (as is obvious by the fact that a reproductive woman is still considered a woman).

@wowaname @meowski @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7

@freemo @wowaname @meowski @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7 Biological sex is, or at least what their reproductive role was or is supposed to be. You can call a barren woman either a woman or a eunuch if you like, and both would be correct in some respect,

>So a woman born infertile or post menopause is not a woman, she has no sex since she can no longer reproduce?
I think you need to rethink what you said, as it's absurd. It would be the same thing as saying that a dead person never existed because he's not alive.
@freemo @ArdanianRight @wowaname @meowski @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7

@wishgranter14

Exactly my point, it is absurd... your catching on!

@wowaname @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7

Dude, you are the one that made that point. You're literally admitting your own point was absurd.
@freemo @wowaname @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7

@wishgranter14

Wow your a little slow on the uptake. The point was made to mock the absurdity of the claim I was responding to. The whole point was to show how absurd it is and it is presumed a reader wouldnt be so dense as to think I was making the point in earnest (though I seem to have underestimated you)...

Literally the whole point of the statement was to show how absurd it is.

@wowaname @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7

No, your point is absurd, because the fact the guy is dead does not nullify his existence, anymore than the fact a woman is post-menopausal nullifies her fertility.

You just don't want to admit that the purpose of sex is procreation.

@freemo @wowaname @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7

@wishgranter14

Yes exactly that is why it was absurd... you really are struggling to keep up, but bless you your trying.

Also notice the fact that you ignored my primary example which is a woman who was born infertile, the woman who went through menopause was the secondary example.

@wowaname @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7

Yes, your points are absurd. I get that.

But the fact one woman is born infertile does not negate the fact that biological purpose of sex is procreation.

The biological purpose of teeth is to chew food, the fact someone might drink coca-cola too much and loose his teeth doesn't change that. Further, someone being born without teeth does not change their biological purpose either.

@freemo @wowaname @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7

@wishgranter14

I never argued one way or the other what the "purpose" of sex is, please try to keep up. I have argued how one determines the sex of an individual and what that means, I never disagreed or otherwise address "purpose" in that.

@wowaname @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7

@freemo @wishgranter14 @wowaname @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist try to keep up remix with dj freemo

You're moving the goal post. The fact a woman is born infertile, does not change the nature of her sex.
@freemo @wowaname @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7

@wishgranter14

Jesus christ please try to keep up... thats the whole damn point.. as I explained it was intended as an absurd example to illustrate the absurdity of what I was responding to... pointing out that her infertility doesnt change her sex **was the point of what I said**..

Glad to see you at least caught up, finally.

@wowaname @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7

@freemo @wishgranter14 @wowaname @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist t-t-try to keep up try to keep up try to keep up try to keep up

@a7

Says the persons who's first and most common counter point is "your retarded"... lol I love how you make fun of people for the same shit you do and think your clever or something.

@wowaname @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @wishgranter14

@freemo @wowaname @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @wishgranter14

@freemo @wowaname @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @wishgranter14 i made an effort post for you

@a7

Thanks, love it.

@wowaname @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @wishgranter14

@a7 @freemo @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @wishgranter14 @wowaname

this is what a phd program often does to people. the narcissism is just a facade. underneath it they've been subjected to a lot of bullying by their peers and are deeply insecure

academia fosters this neurotic behavior. the knee jerk "no, you're dumb" reaction to everything becomes more important than rational debate. i've seen it happen to many people.

as a result of such merciless bullying our academic institutions are full of people who are too scared to do anything but reinforce the dogma. their work won't be published in the big establishment journals, and this means they won't get funding, and won't have the resources to continue

freemo clearly isn't a biologist and only has a rudimentary understanding of genetics, but that doesn't stop him from acting authoritative on the subject

not that i approve of such appeals to authority! but if you want to be indoctrinated, i guess stick to the field you're indoctrinated in, or at least know what you're talking about

@wowaname @freemo @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7 @meowski I don't really care how people want to define themselves, how they want to dress, look, etc. What bothers me is when trans stuff with significant biological consequences like puberty blockers, HRT, and sex change surgeries get conflated with relatively harmless stuff like wanting to dress a certain way or have a certain haircut or calling yourself a different name or whatever, and all this stuff seems to get mixed together under the "gender" umbrella when they're not the same thing at all.

@wowaname @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7 @freemo

that paper i linked earlier has a wonderfully concise explanation:

>Every individual must have at least one X chromosome. Since the female is XX, each of her eggs has a single X chromosome. The male, being XY, can generate two types of sperm: half bear the X chromosome, half the Y.

>If the egg receives another X chromosome from the sperm, the resulting individual is XX, forms ovaries, and is female; if the egg receives a Y chromosome from the sperm, the individual is XY, forms testes, and is male.


the pattern of X chromosome inactivation in females is also really interesting.

women actually have stripes or spots, they're just invisible.

@meowski

yes it had transrights hashtag, it effects their rights, My statement asserted nothing about trans people however, so the point still stands.

>you've been indoctrinated. you're in a radical left wing environment so you probably feel obligated to make these idiotic statements to suck up to the power structure.

What the hell are you talking about. Trump and his family have literally had dinner with my family before he ran for president, as have quite a few republicans congressmen. Not only is my environment clearly not only left, I've had direct involvement with conservative politicians.

> it takes a special kind of person to do real science in such a hostile and highly politicized academic climate, so i don't entirely blame you for this partisan sniveling

Keep talking out of your ass, you dont know the first thing about what environment I'm in.

> but if you do it on fedi you're going to get some pushback.

It had exactly the result I wanted it to have on the fedi.. It exposed the value, contribution, and education of many people to help me decide how much time or energy to put into future interactions with them. I got exactly the outcome I was hoping for, no complaints

@SwampWitchHerbalist @a7

@freemo @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7

oh durr u so mad lmao

i've wasted enough time here

@meowski

Yes, you have

@SwampWitchHerbalist @a7

@freemo @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7

ps freemo, your ssl certificate on your blog is expired.

@meowski

Thank you, I'll update it.

@SwampWitchHerbalist @a7