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What is it with conservatives and this "there are only two sexes" nonsense... Are they trying to convince us they arent any smarter than a grade schooler or something. Anyone who has had more than an elementary school education knows full well its not that simple...
@freemo They actually don’t say that, they say “there are only two genders”, which shows how little they know about the nomenclature
What they actually mean is “there are only two sexes”, which is indeed correct, but sex and gender are two VERY different things and you’re not going to have a constructive conversation about trans issues, trans rights and the trans agenda if you don’t have a full understanding of the basics such as the difference between gender and biological sex
the controversy today was spurred by a congresswoman literally saying there are only 2 sexes, not genders. In fact she went out of her way to have the word sexes printed on her little sign... So clearly your not speaking accurately of conservatives.
@realcaseyrollins I stand corrected.
@freemo @realcaseyrollins there are only two sexes though, none of the other situations (intersex, Klinefelter’s, etc) are healthy specimens of the species and are not able to reproduce, so biologically speaking, homo sapiens is a sexually dimorphic species
“gender” is a word that has been rendered meaningless by postmodernism
Well few things..
1) you are correct that the examples I gave were not necceseraly fertile or healthy conditions. However there are plenty of intersex individuals who are perfectly healthy, so thats not really much of a point overall.
2) yes intersex people do tend to be infertile (though not all are)..
However, how does either of those 2 points prove that sex is any less of a spectrum? Sounds like what your saying is that people at either extreme of the spectrum tend to be physically more healthy, which is fine, but doesnt negate the fact that its a spectrum.
@freemo @realcaseyrollins the sex of an organism refers to its reproductive capacity, so there are only two roles to be filled in the sexual reproductive capacity of homo sapiens, hence the species being labelled “dimorphic.” A disorder like intersexuality obviously does not diminish the value of the person who has it, and hopefully it doesn’t diminish from their life, but ‘intersex’ isn’t a sex because it doesn’t describe one of the roles that the species needs to be fulfilled in order to procreate: one produces an egg, and the other sperm. Klinefelter’s is not a sex for the same reason. There are two sexes: male, and female. End of list.
> the sex of an organism refers to its reproductive capacity,
Not really, its part of it, but not the whole of the definition.
If you have a woman who is born infertile but otherwise has every indication of being a woman, would you declare she has no sex because we only define sex through reproductive capacity? Of course not, because we dont, sex is defined in a much more nuanced way than just your ability to have kids.
@freemo @realcaseyrollins I’m not saying that intersex people have no sex, I’m saying that they exhibit a mix of the two sexes. They are not, however, a novel sex. ‘Infertile woman’ is also not a novel sex, it is a woman who cannot reproduce.
Oh sure, I never claimed they were a novel sex at any point... I claimed that sex is not a discrete characteristic where a person is male or female, it is a continuous spectrum where a person can be some perportion of male or female depending on how they develop, which a majority of people favoring one end of the spectrum.
@freemo @realcaseyrollins if it was a continuous spectrum we would expect there to be far more intersex people
> it’s not a continuous spectrum, it’s a steep bimodal distribution
You just contradicted yourself there, a bimodal distribution is by definition continuous, you literally just agreed with what I said.
It sounds like your confusing the term "continuous" with "uniform"... it is a continuous spectrum/distribution, it is not a uniform one (as you say it is bimodal)
@freemo @realcaseyrollins spectrums usually imply a linear relationship
No, and it certainly doesnt imply that here. Spectrums just imply a variable is continuous, they dont imply they are uniform.
Hot and cold is a spectrum, does that imply that something is just as likely to be as hot as the sun as it is to be room temperature? Obviously not, saying something is a spectrum makes no assumptions about the distribution.
@freemo @realcaseyrollins it’s not a continuous spectrum, it’s a steep bimodal distribution where the vast majority fit neatly in one of two buckets and a small number are found with some random mix of characteristics from the dominant buckets