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hmmm
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Dancing Hotdog
@denza252 this makes me want to see them deported
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@Moon yeah same. Like my dad's an immigrant and I'm personally for some immigration reform but holy shit I want every last border hopper and visa overstay deported (a sentiment shared by my legal immigrant parents, both of them hate how much attention/sympathy is given to criminals while people who want to follow the rules and actually LIKE the US are shafted oftentimes)
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Hector
@icedquinn @Moon @denza252 seriously, it makes no sense to call someone an "undocumented immigrant" when they have a driver's license and registration, legally recognized address and census eligibility, and they fucking tell anybody who spends more than five minutes with them! You have DOCUMENTS, you have a court case, the government knows who and where you are!
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I agree, the correct term would be expatriot or expat for short.

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@freemo expatriates don't integrate. they're just $country living somewhere else.

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@icedquinn

the definition doesnt make that distinction usually, but in general usage that can often be true. Strictly by the definition anyone not living in their native country is an expatriot

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Hector
@freemo @icedquinn @denza252 @Moon that's too general. An expatriate is anyone living somewhere other than their country of origin, or in a narrower sense, someone who has renounced their original citizenship. It doesn't say anything about legal status.
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@hector

Your ogic was that "undocumented" didnt make sense because while they lacked some documents (greencard/citizenship) they had other documents (license, census etc).

By your own logic calling them "illegal" therefore is equally inappropriate since there are many ways in which they are legal (for example if they have a license they can legally drive) and are illegal in other ways.

so by your own logic "illegal" makes just as little sense.

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@freemo @hector @denza252 @Moon i call it grand trespass.
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Hector
@freemo @icedquinn @denza252 @Moon yes just like the majority of everyday actions committed by a criminal, like making coffee, taking a stroll and the like, are not criminal… Does that mean we ought not to call someone who commits a crime, a criminal?
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@hector

by that logic you are now deunking your statements about "undocumented" and showing why it is actually a perfectly fine term. You cant have it both ways.

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@hector

FYI me personally I dont give a shit what people call them. I call them illegal immigrants because it is the more well known term and it is the one that came first, and i havent heard any better terms.. undocumented is about as descriptive but its a newer term so i see no reason to change. That said if someone calsl them undocumented I wont correct them, and really dont care, i know what they mean.

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Dancing Hotdog
@freemo @hector @icedquinn @denza252 "undocumented" is obviously obfuscatory.
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Store-Brand Pikachu
@Moon which is, of course, the intent. just as with the gloriously retarded slogan "no person is illegal." pretending someone's personhood is somehow wholly wrapped up in their (illegitimate) immigration status.
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