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@mystik you were never in the south, weren't?
I mean, the real south, no the one with Sherman's neckties 
@mystik @TruthAndFreedom @freemo @ew
It was great to chat with you guys. Here is a few donut for you all!
It make sense. Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are new technology.
I would say that if someone want to get vaccinated and are still afraid, try with the Johnson & Johnson or AstraZeneca (false alarm at trombosis) vaccines.
Those vaccines are classic vaccines. Old fashion vaccines for COVID19.
In fact Johnson & Johnson vaccine have fantastic metrics.
yep. Those test are 3 years long. So ALL the vaccines have provisional authorization.
There is a cure for common cold and flu (aka "covid") and it's called "hydroxychloroquine", stop risking people to suffer a stroke.
It is not toxic this thread!
We used (long time ago) to share different opinions about stuff without going cuckoo.
I feel nobody want to hurt anyone in this thread. So whatever we believe is not part of a horrible project, etc.
You're as guilty as Bill Gates and pieces of shit alike.
Well. In my case, I try to believe and interpret stuff based on data.
There is not data to not get vaccinated (in general), because the long term covid will be probably worst than the long term effect of any vaccine.
If we talk about specific vaccines. Yes: Pfizer and Moderna are new technologies.
There are more classic approach: Johnson & Johnson and AstraZeneca.
And still there is the option of not getting a vaccine.
All of them have consequences. It is not an easy decision.
My old family was vaccinated. I will be vaccinated soon. I am just saying I trust the vaccines more than the virus. In short and long term.
All is voluntary. So we can do basically whatever each of us want.
>the long term covid will be probably worst
You are an idiot. Permanent paralysis is permanent paralysis, what part of it is "better" than having a cold?
At this point in time the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that it's not just a cold/flu. And it fucking is!
paralysis is worst.
Now, let's assume paralysis is possible with the vaccines. Mr. Biden said 100+ million doses were delivered.
If paralysis is the outcome of the vaccine then we will see a lot of that in the news and the street. Even if we are talking about 3% of people having paralysis, then there will be 3 million people paralyzed and they will be on the news all day.
That is not the case. So at least n that, vaccine are safe.
@pthenq1 @freemo @mystik @TruthAndFreedom @ew
@freemo
"We used (long time ago) to share different opinions about stuff without going cuckoo."
Then we got to the point where violent communists started burning cities and the entire media establishment either pretended it wasn't happening or tried to spin it as a good thing, and people just sort of stopped trusting them. Curious.
OK. If 2 or more people have a dialog (without fire and stuff), we should be able to share opinions without agreeing.
@pthenq1 @freemo @mystik @TruthAndFreedom @ew you really can't understand the implications of what I said, huh? You are in this thread trying to sell the establishment agenda to people that the establishment hates and lies to.
For old people the best ones are AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson. The last one is authorized and available.
100% dosis will not be due until 2023 minimum because studies are 3 years long (as fast, they could last longer).
@TruthAndFreedom @freemo @ew
Karma is a bitch, you know?
On the contrary. My parents are already vaccinated. They are 90+ yo. They got the first dosis. They are OK.
At the same time, if someone refuse the vaccine... all good. It is voluntary.
Risking permanent paralysis over a fucking flu.
I have seen no good evidence to suggest the vaccine causes paralysis in the short term. Any short term health concerns from the vaccine of any significant concern are very unlikely or nonexistant.
The risks are simply long-term unknowns, not short term risks, those are mostly accounted for.
yes @ vaccine risks.
Same with the virus. We are bias. We associate COVID with effects similar to flu because both attack breathing system.
But we do not know the long effects of covid. If any.
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/lawrence-solomon/death-by-influenza_b_4661442.html
huh? that chart doesnt even compare mortaility rate of the common flu to covid.. its showing overall deaths not deaths due to covid or the flu specifically...
Happy to consider your points but you really need to know how this stuff works first and how to do analysis.
He isnt a bad guy, he is generally polite and will engage respectfully, so I cant condone attacking him.. Dont get me wrong I do agree that he is flat out wrong, and highly biased (which ive seen in past discussions). But he has done nothing that would cause me to respect him less other than having a different opinion, which he is entitled to.
@TruthAndFreedom@masthead.social @pthenq1
@freemo it is ok. They are funny. You guys have to process better the disagreement. It is the base for a good digestion! lol
