@ThisIsHowITalk wont ever happen, its just fearmongering.

Its illegal in all kinds of different ways and they know it would get thrown out in any court when challenged.

Medical records are private, for one.

@coolhandjames @ThisIsHowITalk there's a public health exception to HIPAA.

@Moon @coolhandjames @ThisIsHowITalk any contagious disease could be called a public health exception.

@Nudhul @ThisIsHowITalk @Moon except you are free to not vaccinate your children for mumps measles and rubella, its not against the law.

@coolhandjames @Nudhul @ThisIsHowITalk supreme court had a case during spanish flu regarding trying to force a man to get vaccinated against his will. They ruled that it wasn't constitutional to force someone to get vaccinated, but you could punish them for not doing it.

@Moon @coolhandjames @Nudhul @ThisIsHowITalk Jacobson. He didn’t have to take the vaccine but he did have to pay the $5 fine. That will be used as justification for requiring vaccines for flights, movie theatres, etc.

You want to know the problem with Jacobson? It was uses as the basis for Buck v Bell SCOTUS case (forced sterilization) and Koromatsu (the Japanese concentration camps during WW2 at Manazar). Jacabson is shit law. It should not be uses as the basis for anything. It was the foundation for some of the worst supreme court decisions in American history.

@djsumdog @Nudhul @ThisIsHowITalk @coolhandjames koromatsu boiled down to the supreme court saying "during a military conflict of existential importance to the United States, the supreme court will not second guess the executive branch". It is possible to say that civilian internment was immoral and unjustified but still constitutional.

@Moon @Nudhul @ThisIsHowITalk @coolhandjames Which goes with what @icedquinn was saying about not having any respect for the Supreme Court. It’s not just the US high courts. All over the world, courts are deferring the the power of the executive/legislature (or equivalents) to keep people locked up; completely ignoring any civil rights and instead either deferring to the fear or out of fear of liability.

Most judges are cowards. They get to their positions by playing the same game the politicians do.

@djsumdog @Nudhul @ThisIsHowITalk @coolhandjames @icedquinn Personally I am running out of government positions that I hold any respect for, it's literally like, park rangers and that's about it.

@Moon @icedquinn @djsumdog @ThisIsHowITalk @Nudhul you had respect for them in the first place?

What possible reason could you have for this insane stance?

@coolhandjames @icedquinn @djsumdog @ThisIsHowITalk @Nudhul I wasn't raised by ancaps, I was raised by patriotic Americans who had some faith in the American system.

@Moon @coolhandjames @Nudhul @ThisIsHowITalk @icedquinn I still think anticaps and anarchists are out there. I like listening to James Corbet, but his whole “we don’t need states” thing is super silly. We need states where leaders are beholden to the beliefs of more people evenly.

Leaders held to a larger selectorate will have to at least try to make things fair for a larger amount of people (more democratic societies). In a more autocratic system, you only have to salsify the generals and power people right under you (the book The Dictators Handbook covers a lot of this)

@djsumdog @Nudhul @ThisIsHowITalk @coolhandjames @icedquinn I think only states can solve big problems, so we need to figure out how to operate big states while mitigating big-state problems.

@Moon @icedquinn @djsumdog @ThisIsHowITalk @Nudhul dont have big states

@coolhandjames @Moon @icedquinn @ThisIsHowITalk @Nudhul I do like the idea of smaller states, but even in Europe with a lot of smaller independent countries, they eventually formed the EU to make things like travel/work/and exchange between those nations easier. I think you reach scale limits with smaller states that can’t be overcome without entangling alliances or confederations at some point.