@mcread He still has bodily autonomy, he can do whatever he wants with his own body, he just cant force anyone else to loose the right over their body. The fact that he is about to die doesnt mean he doesnt have bodily autonomy, people die all the time despite having bodily autonomy.

@freemo the aborted being has no chance to express his autonomy ( which can be done after birth )

@mcread just because he was never old enough to assert his/her bodily autonomy doesnt mean he is denied bodily autonomy.

At no point did someone go to the baby and stop it from doing something with its body it was trying to do.

You are trying to twist a word into meaning something it doesn't, and your making a horrible argument in the process. Which is a shame because I dont really believe in extremely permissive abortions (I only think they should be legal in the first month or two before the baby forms neurons). You could make an argument that abortion is immoral that I'd likely agree with but the way your trying to argue it completely fails.

@freemo Who's to blame that " he was never old enough to assert .." ? Those who end foetus's existance by tearing it to pieces and extracting it from the womb. In any court of law, if a person is too stupid or too weak to assert their rights and/or defend themselves then they are granted representation by a lawyer. Why doesn't a foetus get that ?

@mcread Now your changing the subject. You are no longer arguing if the fetus had bodily autonomy, your aruging if it has the right to require another person to give up their bodily autonomy to sustain its life.. which is a fine argument to have, but youve proven my point that its not about granting bodily autonomy.

If someone who is on the verge of death hooks themselves up to me to sustain their life, violating my bodily autonomy, I have a right to sever that connection and assert my bodily autonomy. That is, if we are only considering the bodily autonomy aspect. The fact that the other person is or will die as a result of that doesnt change things.

If you want to invoke the immorality of the act you would have to use an argument which goes beyond bodily autonomy (and there are such arguments), but you have failed to do so.

@freemo I didn't change any subject, I commented on your "not old enough " argument.

You're making multiple arguments that are not relevant to the autonomy subject, especially with your "someone who is on the verge of death hooks themselves up to me " is incredibly ignorant and just plain degenerate thinking. It could be that you're too young, or that life has just side-tracked somehow then you're just an angry man with angry ideas.

@freemo Quite a good illustration of how bad society has become, to deny the one miracle that's actually making humans exist: the miracle of life.

@mcread LOL first sign of a person who has already lost an argument is making personal attacks... yea im out, have fun with that. Take some classes or read some books on formal logic.

@freemo lol. Good one. I’m sure in a previous life you were a bulldozer :)