If this thing was so safe and so effective against something soo deadly ... then why would anyone need to be persuaded into taking it?
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Probably because some people are conspiracy theorists, so while it is safe they might be under the false impression it isnt...
That said, while all the data shows its safer to take the vaccine than not, I do think its prudent to wait just to make sure. So I wouldnt say someone is a conspiracy theorist if they are just a little cautious either.
For a disease with a 99.98% survival rate if you're under 65.
Vioxx was safe right? DDT was safe right? Thalidomide was safe right?
This is literally the least tested drug ever released in the modern era of medical regulation and Ivromectin has already proven to be able to effectively treat COVID without any issues and is much much safer.
VAREs does not report illness caused by the vaccine. It simply reports all illnesses anyone happened to have and also having been vaccinated.
If you give hundreds of millions of people a vaccine a great many of those will happen to get ill at the same time regardless of the vaccine.
So yea, by simply listing a whole bunch of people people who happened to coincidentally get ill and take the vaccine that tells you absolutely nothing about the safety of the vaccine. For that you'd have to do actual math and have an understanding of statistical analysis, which, once you do that shows its relatively safe.
I never claimed it was a self reporting database.. but the criteria for reporting to it is **not** that a doctor thinks a reaction is caused by the vaccine (they literally have no way of knowing if that is the case).. So using it to assume it is representive of actual adverse reactions is completely missing the point of VARES
extrapolate that 5000ish deaths that made it into vaers and your real number is 500k.
https://www.icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Lazarus-report.pdf
suprisingly you arent wrong there. VARES consists of two things: some reports that are actually caused by the vaccine, and other reports that were coincidental and not caused by the vaccine but just happened shortly after.
It is also true that only a small percentage of either category of events that occur make it into the DB at all.
So yes it very well could be 1% of legitimate adverse events make it in to VARES that doesnt in anyway change the fact that the vast majority of events reported in vares are merely coincidental.
so no this is absoltely wrong. vast majority are real. yes of course there may be a few unrelated cases but that's a tiny minority
you're actually one of the most disgusting and slimy shills on fedi right now, congratulations. i think you're actually some kind of disinfo operative but i haven't figured out exactly what- whether you do this just for the sheer joy of being a piece of shit or there's something more going on
i don't have time to analyze the actual data but according to this there are around 83k reports of anaphalaxis. among the deaths there are a large number of the known stuff like myocarditis and blood clots
so you're just shilling without facts. as usual- you knee jerk shill for whatever the official msm dogma is without even bothering to check facts.
you're garbage
https://z3news.com/w/latest-vaers-data-show-5165-deaths-reported-following-covid-vaccines/
Just took a dive through @freemo history, and gotta say, doesn't read like a shill. I think he just ended up with a different take on the issue.
I was ready to block him, but seeing thoughts from honest smart people who reach different conclusions is one of the biggest values I get from the Fediverse.
https://www.vox.com/coronavirus-covid19/22444414/covid-19-vaccine-incentives-amazon-target-mcdonalds
i'll definitely believe the jew part. overall my sense is just being in academia he has the "serial debunker" mentality because the system gives him a pat on the head for licking boots.
so i'm not saying he's directly paid to shill on the internet, but indirectly yes
but the fact that he's advising against getting vaccinated is shocking. it's something i guess. doesn't entirely fit with his overall boot licking academic shill personality but i'll take what i can get
Yea we call that considering all sides and not "boot-licking" one side or the other... you know, exactly what your doing by blue pilling yourself with everything wackadoo conspiracy theorist... hey as long as it disagrees with all established facts it must be true! well, at least according to you.
https://vaccinedeaths.com/
i have nothing against academics. i work with many academics and do science as well.
what i have a problem with is your dismissal of whatever you arbitrarily feel like you can get shill brownie points for. there's not much logical consistency to your views and frankly you seem mentally ill, even if you are moderately intelligent. intelligent enough to server the system as an intellectual shill but not intelligent enough to have anything truly insightful to say. your posts have a distinct lack of meaningful information and are full with "you're a conspiracy theorist" type snark.
it's hard to make it through a doctoral program without acquiring at least some of these neurotic traits though.
Translation: After about 10 to 20 times arguing the same stupid shit I dont bother anymore and just call it stupid and waste my energy elsewhere.
Your just crying because I have interacted with you enough times to think you are a shit human being and will not expend energy telling you why your wrong when you are incapable of integrating opinions into your own views, and thus, a waste of my time.
>incapable of integrating opinions into your own views
i'm incapable of integrating your opinions when they lack evidence, true.
i freely admit that i was taken by the whole covid hoax initially, thinking it was more deadly than it turned out to be. so this is a perfect example of me changing my views (no thanks to you)
however the vaccine industry just happens to be one of the most corrupt industries so i'm deeply skeptical about it and that's my conclusion, based on very simple math, that the vaccines are looking like they're around 10x more deadly than the virus, based on all currently available data (not just data you want to cherry pick)
I literally asked you to explain ways you thought your current theories could potentially be wrong and your answer was that the only way you could see being wrong is if your theory was even more right than you thought it was... Then everyone laughed at you and thats when I stopped engaging... yea not going to try again.
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@MechaSilvio @freemo @djsumdog @meowski @se7en
Gotta love that selective epistemological nihilism, whenever they agree with some evidence it's the truth and Proved™ by Science™, whenever they don't it's just lol whoops guess we can never know something for sure haha crazy *proceeds to pray the mantra Correlation Does Not Equal Causation 50 times*
Man I saw Robert Malone (inventor of mRNA vaxx technology) tweet out that he got banned off Linkedin for talking against the vaxx and some libtard posted some meta study that "disproved" the efficacy of ivermectin.
I read the whole abstract and they never once had anything bad to say about it (in fact some of the studies they looked at correlated iv. prescription with less deaths), they literally just kept saying "the evidence is weak" every single paragraph
Correlation isnt causation is one of the worst psy ops Ever inflicted on western man and the arguments for it are always retarded. It literally defeats the entire purpose of the scientific method
but bro don't you see that these completely unrelated variables cannot have a causal relationship, therefore any correlation is wrong? We even made a funny website to feel smart about it
tbh I DO find a (indirect) causation between these...
Exactly shit like that is so fucking obviously disingenuous that the people who try to pass it off as and argument should be cussed out and or beaten.
it's just a snarky quip people can use to sound smart when they want to dismiss facts without making a real argument
So yea, by simply listing a whole bunch of people people who happened to coincidentally get ill and take the vaccine that tells you absolutely nothing about the safety of the vaccine
Also, you agree by this statement that the 450,000 dead from COVID in the US in 2020 was also likely an over count as they included anyone who tested positive of CoV2 who died, include people with gunshot wounds, car accidents, and fucking George Floyd as COIVD deaths.
At least 10k died from Cummo cramming old people together. At least 10k died from Whitmer cramming old people together. Between 20k~80k died from the Flu in 2018, and zero died from Flu in 2020, so we’re already at 100k that are probably not COVID deaths. So this would bump up that 99.98% survival rate even more.
So tell me why again we should all take this barely tested, experimental, emergency use medication for a disease that’s less deadly than both heart disease and cancer (also a lot of people died from heart disease because they couldn’t get treatment while all the hospitals were closed)
Two lists are maintained for COVID (well many are but two of relevance). One is of everyone who has died who happened to have covid. This is a up-to-the-day set of numbers. The other, and done seperately, is the list of people who are explicitly diagnosed as the cause of death being from covid. This data is delayed by a month or two.
Both have been maintained as accurately as to be expected. But yes cause of death isnt perfect, thats why statisticians adjust these numbers via case studies and sampling to make them more accurate, the exact same way they do with VARES.
Only Colorado made a separate "died from covid vs died of covid" list and from what I could tell by their graphs, all they did was a scaler multiplier. I couldn't find their methodology anywhere.
I bet you can't even tell me the three primary sources of COVID data in the United States and how they related/differ from each other can you?
Stop talking out of your ass. You haven't done any fucking work. Show me your code, graphs and receipts.
I did this:
https://battlepenguin.com/tech/fighting-with-the-data/
and wrote some of this: https://gitlab.com/djsumdog/covid19data
and before Viking deleted his account, he worked on this on excess deaths: https://pastebin.com/9aqwntQQ and some of the NA people worked on the code to correct some of the graphing errors.
What the fuck have you done?
I mean, I am literally a professional Data scientist who does this for a living... so yea, pretty sure I know where to get the data..
So first to prove you are completely clueless about the fact that two seperate set of data are kept, one for anyone with covid, and another for people who died of covid... here ya go...
this is the data for "all deaths involving covid". As in, as i described up-to-the-day data of anyone who died who happened to have covid diagnosis
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
Similarly here is where you can find deaths **caused** by covid. Specifically the deaths where covid is the cause of death on the death certificate (notice how these numbers are also significantly lower than the others):
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/mortality-overview.htm
Nice try calling me an idiot at all, but you just showed you may be bombastic, but you are also clueless.
Let's be clear, there have been more deaths reported to VARES about this vaccine THAN ALL OTHER VACCINES COMBINED! ...and it's likely being under reported.
Anecdotal: my next door neighbor's grandmother was perfectly healthy. She died 2 days after her vaccine shot.