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@se7en is this ... is this real and not satire? Jebus it's all so cringe you can't even tell any more.

If this thing was so safe and so effective against something soo deadly ... then why would anyone need to be persuaded into taking it?

@djsumdog

Probably because some people are conspiracy theorists, so while it is safe they might be under the false impression it isnt...

That said, while all the data shows its safer to take the vaccine than not, I do think its prudent to wait just to make sure. So I wouldnt say someone is a conspiracy theorist if they are just a little cautious either.

@se7en

@freemo @se7en So the 5,000 deaths in VARES, the miscarriages, the women reporting issues with periods, the lack of animal reproductive studies, these three women with permanent neurological issues (https://rumble.com/vgbhxl-they-dont-want-to-see-people-like-us.html), the fact that Weinstine got censored on YouTube after having one of the inventors of mRNA technology challenge both the efficacy and safety of these medications .... none of that bothers you.

For a disease with a 99.98% survival rate if you're under 65.

Vioxx was safe right? DDT was safe right? Thalidomide was safe right?

This is literally the least tested drug ever released in the modern era of medical regulation and Ivromectin has already proven to be able to effectively treat COVID without any issues and is much much safer.

@djsumdog

VAREs does not report illness caused by the vaccine. It simply reports all illnesses anyone happened to have and also having been vaccinated.

If you give hundreds of millions of people a vaccine a great many of those will happen to get ill at the same time regardless of the vaccine.

So yea, by simply listing a whole bunch of people people who happened to coincidentally get ill and take the vaccine that tells you absolutely nothing about the safety of the vaccine. For that you'd have to do actual math and have an understanding of statistical analysis, which, once you do that shows its relatively safe.

@se7en

@freemo @se7en VARES is not a self reporting database. You have to be a doctor to report to it, and most doctors do not want to report to it. They're afraid to. There is a stigma.

Let's be clear, there have been more deaths reported to VARES about this vaccine THAN ALL OTHER VACCINES COMBINED! ...and it's likely being under reported.

Anecdotal: my next door neighbor's grandmother was perfectly healthy. She died 2 days after her vaccine shot.

@djsumdog

I never claimed it was a self reporting database.. but the criteria for reporting to it is **not** that a doctor thinks a reaction is caused by the vaccine (they literally have no way of knowing if that is the case).. So using it to assume it is representive of actual adverse reactions is completely missing the point of VARES

@se7en

@freemo @se7en and yet we've never had the death count in VARES for any other vaccine, including the horrible failure of the 1970s Swine Flu vaccine. (I think they pulled that one after 25 dead).

@djsumdog @freemo @se7en adverse events are systematically underreported. this is entirely believable because literally every person ever in the history of vaccines who has tried to reported an adverse event has run into a brick wall with hospitals and doctors.

extrapolate that 5000ish deaths that made it into vaers and your real number is 500k.

https://www.icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Lazarus-report.pdf

@meowski

suprisingly you arent wrong there. VARES consists of two things: some reports that are actually caused by the vaccine, and other reports that were coincidental and not caused by the vaccine but just happened shortly after.

It is also true that only a small percentage of either category of events that occur make it into the DB at all.

So yes it very well could be 1% of legitimate adverse events make it in to VARES that doesnt in anyway change the fact that the vast majority of events reported in vares are merely coincidental.

@djsumdog @se7en

@freemo @djsumdog @se7en by far the majority of events that go into vaers are NOT coincidental, because most clinicians are reluctant to include anything but the most obviously causal cases for fear of their pharma overlords dropping the hammer on them.

so no this is absoltely wrong. vast majority are real. yes of course there may be a few unrelated cases but that's a tiny minority

@meowski

Outside of immediate allergic reactions a doctor has absolutely no way to know if any disease is causal. So even if their motivations are as you claim it would still be impossible for that to be the case.

So yeaaa your way off on that part.

@djsumdog @se7en

@freemo @djsumdog @se7en those are primarily the events that get entered-anaphalaxis.

you're actually one of the most disgusting and slimy shills on fedi right now, congratulations. i think you're actually some kind of disinfo operative but i haven't figured out exactly what- whether you do this just for the sheer joy of being a piece of shit or there's something more going on