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@vital876@mastodon.social Thanks, appreciate that. But yea it seems common sense really. If someone takes a vaccine and comes in a day later with a heart attack there is no conceivable way a doctor could say if that particular heart attack was caused by the vaccine or not.
Thats **why** we have VARS in fact. The doctor reports it anyway and then we look to see if the number of people getting vaccines that have heart attacks is greater than the number of people not getting vaccines who have heart attacks. From that we can determine if the vaccine causes heart attacks.
Obviously what you cant do (and hope to make any sense out of reality), is just go "oh that number looks big, I am now scared of vaccines". The number, without normalizing against background, means nothing.
Vaccines sure can cause a heart attack, potentially. I am not saying that no heart attacks are caused by the vaccine. I am saying that you have no way of knowing if it is caused by the vaccine or not on a case by case basis.
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Yes it can... So whats the point of the question then? or what does that show?
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Yes it could be. Could also be causing your dick to drow an extra 12 inches... anything is possible :)
Point is the way we determine if it is likely (not just possible) is by looking to see if the report in VARS (or other sources) occur more often than in the general public. Without comparing it to the general public the data in VARs wont tell you anything.
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yea thats mostly true. Keeping in mind in each case we are talking about one specific vaccine, not all of them, there are real elevated risks of heart inflamation (which may lead to heart attack), and even blood clotting and other issues. AZ for example is no longer recommended as a vaccine in some countries except in special cases due to risk of blood clot.
I never claimed there are no risks. But generally the risks are smaller than the risk of covid as far as the evidence shows. Moreover my point before about comparing VARS to background still applies. If someone comes in with a heart attack a doctor would have no way of knowing if that specific case was due to the vaccine or not, only by looking at vars and normalizing against the background can we see if, more generally, it increases risk of heart attack, inflamation of clotting (and in some cases it does, though not to such an extent as to be worse than risk of the virus, as in, very minimal risk).
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