Finally got around to writing this

@realcaseyrollins I am not sure "radical Feminist" is a specific enough description for a TERF. Radical feminism invokes entirely different notions IMO.

@freemo What’s the difference between the two?

@realcaseyrollins Radical Feminism is a general term for any form of feminism that advocates for "extreme change". Its so broad as to not be very descriptive.. A TERF is a specific type of feminism centered around exclusion of transpeople from the community as if it somehow takes away women's rights... It is a far more specific description.

@realcaseyrollins More importantly as a server they are not inclusive of all forms of radical feminism, only TERFs so far as I can tell.

For example a person who believed all transpeople should have **more** rights than women or men would also be "radical feminism" by definition, but being a TERF instance certainly wouldn't be welcome by almost the entire spinster community.

@freemo That might have been the case but it doesn’t seem to be anymore

https://spinster.xyz/about

Although of course there’s a difference between server rules and how welcoming users are with new entrances lol. Other feminists might very well be welcome on #Spinster but if the existing members are mean to them they’d prolly leave lol

@realcaseyrollins What spinster says on their about page and the rules they claim to set has no relationship to their actual conduct, at least that has been my experience. The rules are just for show, public image. If they had followed their own rules they wouldnt be the only server silenced by QOTO.

@freemo That’s interesting. In my experience, maybe only the first rule has been broken, as they have a lot of anti-male sexists who call me all kinds of names. But of course “hate speech” is an intentionally vague term, that’s why the left uses it.

That said I have yet to see, say, doxxing occur on #Spinster.

@realcaseyrollins I have not witnessed doxxing specifically either. But then again I have never witnessed a moderator banning someone for doxxing a trans person either.

In other words its more likely that the doxxing rule hasnt been tested, more so than it being a rule they have or will apply objectively.

@freemo What rules have you seen violated?

@realcaseyrollins Well the most notable one that we saw here that caused us to silence them (and the only server we ever needed to) was 1) Explicit harassment which was carried out across a large portion of the entire server, not an isolated incident 2) ban evasion to increase the effectiveness of the harassment. That is, once users were blocked by local users for harassment they continually encouraged each other to spin up new users to continue the harassment and bypass individual user blocks.

Since they had explicit rules against harassment it seemed clear to me their rules dont matter much, especially when M.K. herself gave the ok on the above activities.

@freemo Oh no! That’s terrible. That’d even be against our harassment rules here, and they’re quite light.

@realcaseyrollins As you know QOTO is pretty light handed on its moderation. Like i said they are the only server we ever had to silence and even then we made it clear to M.K. we would be happy to remove the silence if in the future we had some insurance that incidents like that would be considered unacceptable and acted on. However MK to this day maintains it was acceptable.