Senator Marsha Bloodbath offers thoughts and prayers to the latest inevitable victims of the laws and policies she champions that have turned our schools into slaughterhouses.
That smell over the graves? #NRA money.
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@stevesilberman Slaughter houses? Kids are more than twice as likely to get struck by lightening than to die in a school shooting in any given day... slaughterhouse is a bit overdramatic.
Look we should be mourning this, we should be sad, and we should recognize the tragedy..
But we also need to recognize these tragedies are very rare, more rare than getting struck by lightening. Lets not paint isomething that isso vanishingly rare as if its some slughterhouse.. that doesnt do anything justice and makes it very hard to find solutions if we cant be honest about the problems.
> Firearms are the number one cause of death for kids. It's a combination of murder, suicide, and accidents. Guns make all of these more likely.
Technically true, though not contrary to anything I said either. I was talking about school shooting, not gun deaths overall, which is a different but important topic.
So while this is moving the goal post fallacy for hte conversation it doesnt mean it isnt relevant as its own side topic to discuss it is.
The issue here is far more complex. For starters, I am of the unpopular opinion that suicide, like all bodily autonomy, is a sacred right. We should be trying to prevent it by providing good mental health access as wella s healthy home environments but we should not be trying to take away the means of suicide. As tragic as it is, every person has a right to determine what they want to do witht heir own body and that includes suicide.
Next once we get to murder with a firearm then it becomes a bit of a misframing of the problem. What we want to do is reduce the murder of children, that includes by any means whether its knife, gun, or strangling, anys solution we pick cant decrease one type of death and increase the other, so we need to look at the whole picture. When we do it paints a picture that we dont have a "gun problem" we have a "kids killing kids problem". The question we have to ask is how do we reduce that. Doesnt mean guns dont have a place in that conversation, but it is self-defeating to get tunnelvision if we analyze that aspect of the problem in isolation.
31 kids were killed in school shootings in 2022 in the US.
19 people *of all ages* (not just kids) were killed by lightning last year.
I (maybe?) agree that school shootings aren't the only problem, and solving school shootings isn't enough to help the majority of kids killed every year.
I'm fine with bodily autonomy too, but I'm not fine with making guns easier to access than mental health care and social safety nets--that has predictable outcomes with suicide.
> 31 kids were killed in school shootings in 2022 in the US.
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> 19 people *of all ages* (not just kids) were killed by lightning last year.
This has little relevance to what I said...
1) I said nothing about people dieing from lighting, I said struck by lightening
2) I made it cclear the point of the comparison was to show how insanely rare a child dieing ina school shooting is, so I compared it to another extremely rare event for comparison. That is all.
> I (maybe?) agree that school shootings aren't the only problem, and solving school shootings isn't enough to help the majority of kids killed every year.
I am glad we agree there.
> I'm fine with bodily autonomy too, but I'm not fine with making guns easier to access than mental health care and social safety nets--that has predictable outcomes with suicide.
We agree gere as well.. not because I think access to guns should be restricted, much the opposite I think access to guns should be fairly easy and upheld as a primary right... We agree because I think access to health care should also be upheld as a primary right and while gun access should be easy mental healthcare access should be even easier.
@freemo @stevesilberman
Firearms are the number one cause of death for kids. It's a combination of murder, suicide, and accidents. Guns make all of these more likely.
Lightning is very far down on the list. That said, most people would tell kids to not be the tallest object outdoors during a lightning storm, and would do what we can to minimize the risk to children during such storms, because even one childhood death is too many.