@TruthSandwich nah as someone who literally witnessed the shift thats just flat out wrong.. while the shift probably started before I was born I have seen a very clear shift from democrats being strongly small government in my youth to being big govt now. So I have seen a very clear shift from classic to neo personally that is hard to deny.. it gets a little cloudier when i look historical so its hard for me to put the line somewhere, and even then since the shift is over time the line would be a bit arbitrary... but regardless it is quite obvious to me that the more intot he past I go (in my life time) the closer to classically liberal the democrats acted.