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When people hate others simply because of how much money they have, well, it really shows their colors.
@freemo Understanding resources are not endless and some being extremely rich must cause poverty elsewhere is a color? I must have been slacking on my LSD.
@admitsWrongIfProven Actually yes... resources may be finite but wealth is not... Some people having more wealth does **not** mean others have to have less as a result. Wealth is largely generated. One person having more doesnt imply someone else has to have less, thats not how wealth works.
@freemo It does not mean that any inequality immediately causes poverty, but please, do you really want to say billionaires deliver good value for their wealth and do not cause poverty right now?
The hopelessness in face of worsening conditions for the masses in times of record profits for big companies might spawn some rather tasteless reactions, but refugees drowning in the mediteranean are tasteless as well. As are slums in front of Amazon warehouses filled with the generously compensated workers.
So if you don't see a reason to complain about the one side, i can't take you seriously if you complain about the other.
@admitsWrongIfProven if you are lumping all billionairs into the same category then yea you are completely disconnected from the reality.
Some billionairs do bad, some do good, just as many middle clasd do the same. The perportion of evil doers and good doers is about the same regardless of class.
That said rich people do statistically give a much larger portion of their wealth to charities and the poor... so there is that.
And for the record slums existing in front of amaxon warehouses doesnt remotely imply amazon caused those slums to exist, such poorly framed anecdotal evidence is telling of your bias though...
@admitsWrongIfProven see this is exactly an example of how you dont ubderstand the most basic ideas of money and wealth...
> why extract money from the system if the purpose is to give it to the poor?
You seem to refuse to accept how money/wealth works.. it is **not** a fixed thing that is extracted. It is created/generated as well as moving around. The billionairs arent ciphoni g out your money then giving it back, they are generating new wealth then instead of keepi g it all for themselves they are givi g a portion of it back.
@freemo Well, to get a bit deeper, from what i've seen the conditions for this "creation" must be right. Which would mean certain deregulations, trade agreements biased toward richer countries. A nice example would be the rolling copyright extensions that have kept some stuff copyrighted well beyond the death of the creator.
Now not everyone can profit (create wealth) from this equally - as with the trade agreements, some countries get a right shafting.
Or take your american medical system, the conditions for "creating" wealth are there, what could a dose of insulin cost? A lot, it seems. People are dying so the profit can be maxed.
So no, i am not saying exactly the existing billionaires have done all evil in the world. They were best at profiting from an unfair system and pushing it towards even grosser unfairness.
Sure, creating value and creating wealth are different. Right on point, only the first is a good thing.
@freemo "Their" money? I find the concept baffling.
If someone creates value and charges for that, that's their money.
Now, which "good" billionaire did deliver billions in value?
And, where is that value? Should the world not be a veritable paradise if there was as much value delivered as there is wealth?
And on a side note, why extract money from the system if the purpose is to give it to the poor? Is there some benefit in "it was my money for a while"? Is the concept that handouts are degrading and people want to contribute so obscure?