@trinsec @freemo and then whine about some "alt-right pipeline" that's mysteriously converting moderate people to "the right" and point at everything except that shitty attitude.

@Amikke

Spot on. I often say the alt-right is the direct result of the immaturity of the left.. People see this shit and are sickened by it and move downt he spectrum in the other direction.

@trinsec

@freemo @Amikke @trinsec And while everyone is bickering about left and right, the fossil fuel industry goes strong. The strategy works!

@admitsWrongIfProven @freemo @trinsec of I wish it was some strategy and not just the inherent tribal tendencies of humans.

@Amikke @freemo @trinsec I really doubt the tribal tendencies as the main cause.
The industries that do damage to our environment are not a tribe, and would generally associate with any politician if that meant to continue.

"Tribal" would mean rather small groups, i do not see small groups competing.

Or... do you mean those that share the profits are a small group, and how the others not managing to organize is the problem, due to the tribal nature? Because we cannot get along well in too big groups?

Yeah, that would make sense. And be in line with the initial "left, right, not the problem here".

@admitsWrongIfProven @freemo @trinsec I mean that we don't need any conspiracies or strategies to divide into opposing tribes and waste our efforts on trying to bring each other down. Not from fuel fossil industry, not from shadow cabals, not even from the politicians that exploit this tendency, we're perfectly good at doing it on our own without any outside pressure. Wherever you've got an opinion you've got tribes, wherever you've got tribes you've got radicalising any other opinions to oppose the other guys.

@Amikke @freemo @trinsec So is the <100 people characteristic of tribes not what you were talking about?

@trinsec To a radical not being a radical is the most radical thing you could be!