🏳️🌈🖖🏽
🇳🇱
So do we forgive her now or no?
@freemo @georgetakei no. Until she does more than just words and "I'm sorry"s, and especially until the writers say so, we don't forgive.
When you say "more than just words" doesnt canceling the show count as more than just words?
so just to be clear, she was about to start her show up again which would have violated the strike, but ultimately decided not to. But even though she never actually followed through, never started the show up, and didnt actually violate the strike, we are just going to treat her like she did anyway?
@freemo @georgetakei yes? She attempted to cross the picket line and only stopped when she was brow beaten. She needs to earn that forgiveness, not just say "awww ok sowwy" when she gets yelled at.
@Bradcopter @freemo @georgetakei If you try to steal something and get caught, it's an attempt and under the law, an attempt is considered "the intent to commit an offense/crime".
She was willing to break the strike and she backed off because she's been caught and forced to back off.
The writers she's working with are on strike, she's a SAG-ATRA member and she wanted to break both pickets lines, so yeah, it's an offense she needs to atone for and no, "sorry" is not enough.
> If you try to steal something and get caught, it's an attempt and under the law, an attempt is considered "the intent to commit an offense/crime".
Sure but thats not the anaology that is accurate to the situation.
If i take something off a shelf and put it in my pocket, no that wont get you arrested. It is only once you actually walk out with the item you get arrested.
The reason for that is there is reasonable doubt. You may or may not have been considering stealing it, but since we dont know there needs to be solid proof you had every intention of following through.
I mean just think about it, you put something in your pocket, start to walk to the door. You see a sign that says "you will go to jail if you steal" when you see it your change your mind and pay for the item... Even if you tell the judge "yea i was going to steal it but i changed my mind last minute and didnt" you wont go to jail
Thats closer to what we have here... she never followed through, she never even attempted to other than stating her intent (in the sense that no one was brought back, no show filmed no work done... nothign she did was a violation).
> She was willing to break the strike and she backed off because she's been caught and forced to back off.
Caught? Forced? What are you on about... She **anounced** her intention, she wasnt "caught"... then when she hears the opinions of the people she announced it to she changed her mind.. She wasnt forced, she could have still filmed, she could have done whatever she wanted, no one forced her hand. Hearing peoples opinions and changing your mind as a result is **not** being forced. It is realizing a bad decision and choosing of your own free will not to follow through.
> The writers she's working with are on strike, she's a SAG-ATRA member and she wanted to break both pickets lines, so yeah, it's an offense she needs to atone for and no, "sorry" is not enough.
If she would have done it then i would have agreed. But **wanting** to do a thing that is wrong, and then not doing it, is hardly a reason to still find her guilty.
One final comment though, I hope you realize that this mentality is counter productive. If you really get to the point where you treat someone as guilty simply for wanting to do a think and not doing it, all you are going to do is cause people to refuse to change their mind. I mean if someone wants to be a scab, even for an instant, why would they not be a scab if they cant take it back even if they want to.. it encoruages people to commit to hurtful choices since learning your choices are wrong wont matter since onlyt he act of considering it is enough to make you guilty.
@freemo @Bradcopter @georgetakei Your heart is in the right place but I disagree with your logic.
Nothing there happened by accident, she didn't do it unknowingly. Reasonable doubt is also not applicable here, wanting and planning to do wrong/illegal things is legally called an intent for this very reason.
She didn't forget some chewing gums in her pockets, she took action to come back with her show. She openly spoke about coming back and announced it, knowing she'd break the pickets lines.
@freemo @Bradcopter @georgetakei That being said, it's up to the writers working on the show she only host (she don't write most of her show), how to proceed with this lack of solidarity and respect for the workers creating value for her show.
The line stands at respect, she didn't show any when she tried to come back and say it was a "news show" to bypass the strikes.
She hasn't been decent to her peers, they have the right to say her to get f'ed if they feel so.
I think we agree that the writers, her staff, and anyone involved with her have the right to have any opinion they want of her actions, and act on it.
But your statement doesnt seem to account for how the public can determine if the writers are the ones int he wrong (not saying they are)... but seems your suggesting the public should defer to the writers to decide how to respond to her actions... But if the general public always followed that game plan it seems like there would be no protection against protecting against strikes where the strikers demands are unreasonable.
