@curtis We just going to ignore the ones that smashed windows and were recorded being actually violent?

@freemo Surface level views don’t yield much understanding

@curtis Exactly, which is why a cherry picked "surface level" assessment of a few people following the ropes is not going to yield much understanding. A more indepth look at the complete picture, which involved a great deal of violence, can provide better understanding. Which is exactly why I engaged in this conversation.