@aral Damn... "There is only one aggressor here and that is Putin." Really ? Wow how clear just 1 person, almost impossible you might say.

What to say... I'm sure I'll write something about all governments doing some kind of war (all types)... energy wars, manipulation, finance...
Things already happened and happening from these indirect and direct actions of war and only just show up in this kind of situation again somewhere else on the planet (is it about resources, land, control, money etc?) ...

So just Putin no... almost impossible, even to let him be their while our own sides conduct themselves in the rapacious manner, catching and breeding their own people like living prey and sacks of blood and energy to suck from and threaten with death indirectly (work for us or die).

Passively or passive-aggressively or more visually - all these are forms of violence from the beginning. All have parts to play if not acting toward peace and only incrementing it for show and to get other bigger pieces constantly in exchange, never actually building peace.

So not just Putin Aral even if you meant a bit more than just him, possibly everyone or their bosses at the least.
The hands and mind that reduce anything effectively good but just price increases or reducing effective values
The copying and past of the same system of oppression, paperwork while wiping our asses with resource hungry toilet paper and complaining about climate change - not me a$$oles - just a joke ut you get it you can't have one without the other so wipe your ass with any other material lying around, else be a hypocrite and expect yuor luxury at cost of humanity)

Ukrainians might just land in the same shit we're in, the long comfortable mini-wars on all fronts, in our own back yards in front of our faces, making weapons for other and sending them out to whoever wants and then fighting them and accusing them of arming up. Or just another banking system to rape those guys too. Maybe we need a loong war to help us have incentive (shit our pants if it comes to EU) to go for love.

I'd like to teach everyone to love and that it is still to be learned for what is AND WHAT ISN'T right from youtube to anything U$A .
Sure watch more media or condone things but eventually what is going to solve it is going to have to grow from our own grounds out,
Without only isolating this or that country it's just another form of UK and U$A and all the while governments aren't doing / teaching these things and it's what's needed.

Whatever deals are done and whatever peace is bought behind the back doors its still NOT going to be enough under the long drawing of blood from everyone again financially to pay for the deals or be enslaved again and repackaged in crisis and thank them for breaking our legs and looking like they are helping us up. The same shit show with better front shop. A unhealthy hospital or caretaker.

Again, if love could reign much more, then we could really unite under similar principles eventually (not selling out constantly to ohers and back at square 1). Without all these buy-outs buying us into bigger dog shit.

The homework of doing loving ways,paying forward not robbing the futures and not expecting or allowing governments to do it. THIS IS FOR YOU TO DO else fall into the same same shit systems they created for themselves to reap from the poor... and only a handful to ma-manage it deliberatey badly.

That is not something that goes away when Putin goes away...