@stux Oh look the world's energy being burnt at high speed and high temperature....

while people starve and will be cold in winter...(that's one questionable thing)

The big heater in the sky and energy could be used for much better things (people and this planet).

Why do people even care about this?

@freeschool Because we need to make a present on another planet ASAP..

There will ALWAYS be issues on Earth to fix so that's no reason to keep space exploration behind 😉

We really need to put our eggs in multiple baskets. Esp these days with not only risks from pandamics, astroics, vulcanos etc but also mad men like Putler

@stux (FORGIVE ME) WHAT PLANET ARE YOU LIVING ON STUX?

- The same reasons we messed up this one is why we will mess up anywhere else / everything else as we have done. What makes you think anything different will happen?

other ways to say it

- It's not because of lack of solution that things are not 'solved'
- THINGS ARE KEPT BROKEN
- Plenty of inventors were ignored / suffered / were shelved or bought and ideas put to sleep
- Much like Debt keeps people running in the negative
- Everything has been weaponised by those that count or speak for us (weaponising STEM also) towards more power / control / debt imbalance (not towards equalising that's for sure)

more ways

- Deliberate Design / Gatekeepers / DRM / Lock-outs etc
- People cheating people out of resources
- People cheating people their own energy (='business')
- Banks / Financial rule
('business')
- Greed / lack of goodwill
- Mentality (of most people with combination of above))

Those fat cats are not like us...

You must have a far from bad / an uneffected life

I'm kind hoping you were sarcastic.

@freeschool sadly on Earth..

But that has nothing to do with progress in space exploration but rather politics and politicaians

Science in general doesn’t care about political view, skin color or peoples opinion and that’s what I love about it!

It’s the same as with every other thing: the discoveries we do can be used for good but also for bad, its up to us how we act upon it :blobcatgiggle:

Not only do we need to make hoomans multiplanitary but it will also produce a LOT of improvement and inventions we can use aside from space.

For example, we now all have phones and computers partly thanks to NASA and the moon missions 👌🏻 they made the price of chips ‘affordable’ and that’s one example

@stux EVERYTHING IS POLITICAL IF ALLOWED / RULED / CREATED / MODERATED / FUNDED ETC ETC
BY GOVERNMENT / BANKS

(OK without self-triggering this just a BIG glitch in people's head I'd like to sort please)

...At the least haven't found anyone that can say what you said!

So 'the glitch' (ignoring "money is neutral" or it's trillions blown into space) is that if you think STEM is non-political or non-governed somehow or unaffected then think again. Thinking that list of things mentioned before have nothing to do with anything else (much like you see in software if you were to say the same thing) OF COURSE IT'S POLITICAL!
I have to accept how 'far out' that is to say otherwise by I can't let that slide from such a cat lover / software person etc...

Again some basic lines, not trying to convince you - you might be too far but imagine:

-Government is political (wants to rule people / don't really care / are in it for the tax etc)
plus
-Banks funding is political / most profitable in the bad way(s) reciprocal to Government

What from that makes you think anything is exempt!?

(literally from mainly those two things, as human nature but much further exploited, evolved and incremented = ' systems ' = the mentality (= space race / space exploration)
How can you trust anything today being peaceful?

And from that all controlled mentality also all else 'stems' out (literally Science, Tech, Engineering, Mathematics) as the first in war... innocent as they sound have the same 0 or 1 running though it (like everything else for power or profit maximising)

It may seem too fine to judge them to be financially fascist (by those totally ignorant or those governments doing things without consent) all but those past mentalities and previous decisions (scams / scandals etc)
= ANYTHING ELSE BUT NON-POLITICAL
[ small slap face and bottle of water over my head! ]

'I love you man' but if you think we can make such things to space and back, but we can't sort out basics at home....
then fuuuuckk
Don't be surprised if it's the same what's happened here happening all over again.

P.S
I'm not happy for the domestic-class military tech that helps fund all that again - releasing domestic-grade tech as you see like software is only hurting ourselves,,, I'd prefer doing less of that tech business supplying weapons even to ourselves to both / all sides.. whether it's supplying cameras, tracking, 'medicine' / covid or pure-ammunition... it's all hard and soft war... You really really can't trust that mentality until they actually prove it...

Stick to cats - Sorry man - I'm literally stux in between actually considering how you could be right even in the remotest sense (since you said it's non-political) and ask myself why I'm calling you such air-head in my head even though you try well....
because you gotta literally have lived somewhere else to not see patterns and historical evidence... on-going man!

I need to get over that

anyway I'll leave it there lol

- this song is for you fuck me and this planet for a few minutes of trying to help solve and heal it with people that literally give it away or think it's going to be different under the same defective-by-design / negative maths concepts... good like spaceman!
:)

@freeschool
No, Just No.
Although i'm afraid we must agree to disagree
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@khw
Hi KHW I'll be in this audio chat right now and for maybe an hour - pop by when ready... no antagonism just would like to listen to what you have say for 10/15mins or however long

meet.jit.si/chataboutit

then maybe some clarifying questions after... again not too long.

@khw Invitation for audio chat now extended!... More chats welcome.

Topic (click this message to see thread as the intro / warm up)

Open for 2 hours...

meet.jit.si/chataboutit

Summary:
Anyone who would like to convince me that something with banks and governments involves is non-political...

So this it's about listening to you more than convincing here (though do try by yourself)... no tricks or big contention. Why do you think STEM is far away from politics when regulated by the same things that messes up other things (wouldn't it makes sense you can't see it if it's by the same 'bastard' people doing bad work consistently in everything gov / banks --> profit / exploitation etc)

Home server bring your best.
Stux I've called out as already 'gone' saying it's non-political (even with leeway it's very far from that).

Be brave, talk for 10mins.

If I made a mistake and I'm wrong about deliberate 'poor management' (negligence) across the board and just financially looking at people (and down on people) more than anything (gov and banks working together) then I'll call myself out...

Just convince me a little about Gov's and Bank being good lol.

0 interest will be a bit of indication not one person wants to say something against my premise...

(my home server is a STEM server btw)... ..

meet.jit.si/chataboutit

@freeschool
Or maybe no one ist interested. Or ist Not willing to Invest the time...there are several possible reasons.

@khw
And what's your level of investment or interest...?
I'd like to talk about it personally...
what do you think about talking?

@freeschool
Sorry, was at work...No Fediverse possible neither jitsi. I'm completely Cut Off there, which ist nice

@khw
Sure, no probs. How about making a time and place comfortable for yourself and talk together?

@freeschool
Someone Said: If you can explain it with stupidity and/or lazyness, thats probably the reason. Most people are not evil or have a Plan dor conquering the universe.
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