@mhoye

Hi everyone, wanted to say hi and humanise this a bit so hope you are doing fairly ok and so let's talk.

Further Below is my list of replies to everyone reading down the thread but mainly as introduction I wanted to say:

"Let's actually talk!" (audibly as part of a topic or reply)

I know text is a killer or can kill the atmosphere in being long but you can read it this bits or just go for an audio chat by asking me!

The main message is to talk actually with each other which encourages you to contact me or ask anyone to practise chat both as a way to minimise mass of text *but also* somewhat compliment audio chat to something more humanising. Humanising things actually sounds like part of any solution right? So give me or others a try!

Are you a machine or mouse?
...type Y/N here: _

OK I mean let's humanise it *a bit more*.

THE REST IS "LONGER AND MORE EXPLAINED" (or L.A.M.E for short - The opposite acronym to TL;DR !)

My #1 solution or key ingredient to everything now is basically for us to peer-to-peer talk in audio conversation and go for building trust and practising self-expression / seeing other people's articulation etc (YES as well as text YES! YES! YES!)
This is what is missing and when it comes to talking Away From Keyboard, it really helps talking in person. We can't always be behind a keyboard and expect healthy life :) Or do you expect that? (we could talk about this itself as the first topic!)

I'm happy to moderate and with Jitsi as a quite instant tool (example chatroom https://meet.jit.si/chataboutit) and this universally accessible non-big-tech site, which means people can talk to each other almost instantly and anonymously. Fairly safe / Most accessible for now / No account / Open Source / No tracking / American Commercialism / No Ads etc.

Just contact me and we'll do a test between us. If you try and it really doesn't balance well all these things I will give you $1000! Ok no just say "it didn't work" but so far has worked very well on many platforms and setups! (Uses basic WebRTC like zoom but simpler).

I can deal with pairs of people or small group if you feel shy by yourself.

Example instant / quite-safe chat:
https://meet.jit.si/chataboutit

Practising 1 to 1 actually feels satisfying and wholesome / good and then later with others *maybe* who want to change the world / practise trust and self-confidence, *then* we can do as more of a group (maybe not just individually is good enough).

Then from this justice comes.
Justice comes from our own trust and showing we're caring and not all bastards AND THEN doing more together on top of that or just being friends too.

Eventually doing more our own 'business' of caring more often than *their business* of taking from people endlessly as their own self given job they never want to let others learn to do.

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SO HERE ARE THE REPLIES - to thread (some will be familiar some not, give it a try)
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- USE IT AS NOTES or even SPEAK - WE CAN JUMP INTO CHAT ALMOST ANYTIME (I HAVE TIME / AM WORKING ON UNITY)...

https://meet.jit.si/chataboutit

REPLIES...

- I don't get why people do not see the word google and then NOT expect these things, actually why they don't expect *everything* eventually... it's like animal going back to the same traps or same bad hands that feel them lies. Attachment theory in some way but also bad habits with tech get people clicking far too easily. (I did a picture of 'mouse' trap if you want it)

- I don't get why people don't try and fix the big elephant in the room, that being a business or company itself does exactly the opposite of many things we want or cuts out caring!! Or says it is xyz for some other unhand reason to catch something else or increase a habit at the same time as that given carrot of 'good'. Just people get sucked in like we all did with the gmail and all-you can-eat net stuff. People can't give it up now and willing to do anything perhaps!

- Indeed I didn't see dignity in any of the business books / techniques (maybe I have bad memory)

- It's not just a 'click' - it's perhaps everything else with it now. Everything a computer can do fast and make the trigger a click,.

- Everything has it's head turned into a business snake or part of head of snakes (government's power and control, regulation etc ideas and program that has continued since forever

- I suggest people sort the human sides out as the other games are their games (not ours) and business has always been for things like tax to got to war primarily... sad but not far off...
building other people's wall and empire only to get locked out or pay more...
one of my last posts suggest human (as untrained as they are) are worth investing in as the 'head' problem (and no choice really). More tech aint gonna do it with mentality that is the weak point.

- I sympathise and I suggest if I may to reorganise your daily work but make it as near 100% human work and sorting them out as the priority because that is least compromised directly (people can't change themselves back once they know how things work and the good and bad)...
there is a reason a lot of existing processes want keep people dumb / keep them not understanding or repeat and things - it's also how professional are being cheated.

*** BUT once a human knows they are being cheated - they become PISSED! And that's good in a constructive way to fix the world rather than fix inside a business container / matrix calculation that is too uncaring / too robust / doesn't want to change and even use it for ads!. ****

- Conspiracy is just a bit of a smoke screen or fancy word but yes another way of just business and everyone being registered to state and following. Natural for that structure and the people but people are too scared even to speak so this is one test for people to believe in themself... most are not ready or daring enough and need someone to go to the gym with them to train... to build something else while they feel going with their emotional output and covert that into something else like a circle for change or a men's group or women's group (or just make friends with everyone without having to tell their life story!!!)
Just friends would be a start for humanity and non-business related relativity.

- Even if people saw in the TOS we will do THIS bad thing and THAT bad thing I think wouldn't even register it... it's like some kind of fog that they are used to follow of because it's made legal or a company does it it's over their own moral compass... that it's ok to say ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ <--- because that this often means that people are too weak to use something else or will wait for something else better to come along if really it's 'super-easy' which big tech is always going to have the all-you-can-eat subsidies upper-hand. People just want fast fucking eye candy popping sensory feel-good infinite cats. Cat are nice but virtual one used for manipulation (if we call the cats 'money') is not good in those hands.
When candy is there people are like babies and reach for it... or other phrases a stick for a dog jumping off a cliff... dangling fish for a cat just to follow. Whatever :)
Choose you simpleton and knee-jerk reaction - it seems as easy as that.

- "Do you have something to hide? as a question puts the answer on an ambiguous back-foot... and reversed it's a more towards the truth:

"Do I trust companies to not used my data with others or against me for business... for putting prices to be put up where they know people have no choice, to do insider trading, manipulation all the bad things... (maybe write your own version and reverse / inverse the question).

Just people Trust.
And they see lies and still trust.
In some way those people are like natural selection that you shouldn't necessarily try to 'save' but work on the method that has more concrete 'production' of healthy aware people. Otherwise they just to the silly ways again unless you make software that doesn't allow them to do anything silly... or anything! Take phone off them! Offer them money not to use it and get paid each time !

I think it's a self-reflection of how poor people are or feel justice as an external thing to be validated or accept mistreatment or 100th best. Of course there is the moral journey too many don't want to start as it's all deliberately compromised.
Business as it's very design of 'just a business' masquerades as helping to do something where it's really and weaker looking extension of government who have given themselves the job of collecting from you when you pass go inside one big monopoly game, and maximising what is initially given cheaper to get the habit (computers and phones included).. all without asking you for much else important. Just designers.

All regimes are oppressive -
passive-aggressive are worse for me as it's normalised and a lot more harder to get out of or do something meaningful (welcome to my life!), it's that middle of comfortable and moral senselessness that is obvious but hard to do anything about (direct war connected is much easier to run or flee or catch a bullet for what you believe in but yeah both probably happens, and none is great or nicer asking myself every day how my existence doesn't make things worse inside a clever design / constantly checkmated or feeling on the brink of it..... but I'm in 'luxury' even for what I didn't want (now a bit better see profile) and so I'm 'constructively' not happy for a while, but still game to change it if anyone wants to talk through the jungle of life and just get it done knowing it's a jungle! Crazy optimism I know.

- I like Kermode's answer to privacy because everyone's intentions are so questionable today from their unknowingness of what others have cleverly deigned (right from money to anything else) which is all in a business matrix.

Many things comes back to
- being sovereign and being respect to be individual (possessing yourself or at least with more consideration with others rules of practice and tons of exceptions could be ok with good-willed stewards)

- if law not being about business itself! Allowing for personal journey and reasoning, not one size fits all. Aiming towards happiness and not the cold processing with financial incentive to prosecute small people instead of progress humanity's mentality. Which is the same wherever you go once shit hits the fan and brings worst back into the uneducated and inexperienced people. We do need some 'when war happens we do this' and 'let's do this to keep war from happening'
(again this comes back to my wanting all of us to talk as the real attrition - power of mind!'
Otherwise that power we use badly against each other in decision making. Sort the head, body will follow.

- What to do when making money relies of 'getting' it from others? And then those others are banks in the chain who are adding % just to loan it to people? Making debt - making it a minus / losing game for everyone and for 100 I have to pay 200 eventually? When making each bank note a big lie how much it's real negative value is since % degrade it and all becomes a big mess?
Basic answer (if anyone can accept banks are totally bad) is to look to each other a lot more as the real moral values and respect differences.

- malte's bullet example is basically what the matrix format produces, A domino effect that a line of things that fall into doing a process consistently well. Might as well be called a mechanism and bullet for those who followers from head pyramid down.

Anyway the solution is basically for us to all really talk in audio conversation and build trust.

Then justice comes from our own trust and showing we're caring and not all bastard AND THEN doing more on top of that, picking more our business more often not theirs.

I'm still here. Test me and others out or forever let things slip further....

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