@sergiotarxz @dragnucs
I have solution for all of those.

It can seem massive so here me out without arguing....

Just reduce scope / implement a few things in the way I suggest below / don't go for total email package ... some points below

- Emails are whitelist only (people ONLY add people they are sure about instead of accept all incoming mail and expecting yourself to filter it)
So this could be a 2nd mail they have and build up but the exclusive / user designated email means 100% not spam and sticking to the right people which after a while becomes more solid).

- I suggest Mastodon as way people say hello to each other and then send emails via DM to whitelist them as we go along (on-the-fly 'security' or clearance for incoming). No spam other than 'block all' needed + whitelist.
- as sub option, on could have switch to accept all incoming and then switch it back to block all allowing smaller time-frame for spam which would be much less spam and switch it off again.

- not expecting 0 banks- like I said have all the different types of fish to build a better empire / mutual / caring group eventually everyone... with money and without.

Happy to hear counter points without pushing for it right now - just why not whitelist for example and why not 1mb/10mb storage to achieve at least enter it into reality,

Thanks (I don't want equiv email, I want small tech / better culture)

@freeschool > - Emails are whitelist only (people ONLY add people they are sure about instead of accept all incoming mail and expecting yourself to filter it)

Add what? Who? Whome?

@dragnucs
Ok. Two things

1/ We would be dealing self-hosted to self-hosted (or at least starting from that - I/this group does not intend to need gmail or will have 2nd account for that - this is totally seperate and incremental in it's own loop so incoming outgoing is managed by like-minded self-hosts / same software or just not corporations and we are not intended to use it with corporations)

2 Are you saying that if people add my email to their gmail whitelist still it won't go through currently? (even if so see point 1)

So I think I answered that
- we (the like-minded and those who know Gmail type corporations will clamp down in the end) are not trying to do a catch-all and equivalent to Gmail!

Something reduced and self-implemented and at least achieving what will only start with a few users and increment using pure-whitelist (like just my Mastodon friends to start),

People will 100% keep their Gmail or whatever and transition later - this is not direct replacement but parallel.

Happy to audio chat if that helps (friendly stuff).

@freeschool I frankly do not understand your concern.

@dragnucs
It feels like "how is it possible for you not to understand it."
It's said many times in many ways.
What do you not get?

@freeschool What are the whitelist and block lists for? I understand to reduce spam and increase trust. But why? You are trying to explain a technology being aa subset of traditional email but not compatible with all email.

Also, how does it help reducing costs?

@dragnucs
Feels like you missed a bit, maybe not even seeing some or all of what I wrote (maybe it's the interface which only shows your reply unless you click main message and shows all replies)

So in this message I address my aims https://qoto.org/@freeschool/108995930361956688

and specifically it might help to say

- I am not aiming for Gmail 1:1 copy or replacement but limited functionality to get passed some hurdles and get into entering private comms aware from corporations

- Self-hosted to self-hosted (nothing else to start)

- Whitelist or accept incoming email addresses are the main filter (everything else ignored, is used initially to just message between personal friends as most email are)

- Other existing ways and email accounts still are used but this self-hosted way increments other things mentioned before like safety / building different culture / different possibilities .

- eliminates / reduced personal comms with 3rd part and makes our own thing (which eventually we will need)

Other points about reducing costs

-It reduces costs as it doesn't need spam, only yes/on on a persons accepted list.
This is written by the owner of that email. If not on list then it rejects. Yes this not 'compatible' in your logic of thinking about Gmail replacement but aim is not that. It's more about building 'our own thing' and then after in future considering more. More self-hosted to self-hosted as that is the end-game anyway.

Aims and usage slightly different.

-It reduces costs as I would accept even 5mb / 10mb mail if it would tick some major boxes and further better comms that way or test this method of quality control without using it as a storage provider or corporate snooping device.

TL;DR
- less / no spam processing
- less storage space expected, just for better comms

Anything else?