@jeffowski
Perhaps Science is not whole truth... and lots of bad stuff politically handled with each of those.

Overall science is not clear by those at the top managing / paying for it.

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Text version below of replies (not meaning to inflame anything and done very quickly for speed - so pinch of salt).
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while airplanes avoiding shortest routes
are perhaps a root thing asking why (if true)

while first hand witnesses of historically impeccable
character say their fellow footballers just dropped dead
or were told not to tell everyone what happened

and so..?

I didn't need science to tell me that, but it's ok you said it

often objectifying people, seeing them as numbers only
I don't consider the non-spiritual sides of *humans* as "universal"

even if government websites say it is or patents exist?
(could be fake but also "look up" (film), they are less likely to spend their time criss-cross skys just for fun. Or gov's are the caring type!?

and so?... not sure meaning. We also see our own mind as evolution no?.. which is perhaps not so clearly invested as the physical sciences (if science is measurably is not exploring those, more the physical evo?)

OK! Agree / Happy with those!