@yogthos @clacke @swiley
In European/American propaganda:
* When China start to have income from harbours cities : China don't care about Far western regions, they are the poorest part of the country
* When China build infrastructure in Western China, and start exchange from Xinjiang to Europe by trains: Chinese made infrastructures to invade Western territories of China and kill the local culture. I can't the number of languages, scripts, religions I meet around China, all really actively used, and the fast progress of life level year after year.

I far I know, there is women mosques only in China, illiteracy disappear, all people have retirement at around 50 to 60 years old depending on kind of work and sex. Lot of Chinese friends come back from France to China to have a better life.

@popolon @yogthos@mastodon.social @clacke I'd be a little more willing to believe some of this stuff if journalists and reporters were allowed into the country and if the government didn't manipulate social media and the internet the way it does. Right now I just have to take your/the government's word for it and that's not great. I would feel the exact same way if the US or any of its allies did this.

@swiley @yogthos @clacke
As in

A simple exemple is the free speech of Trump, even for worst things, and just after its destitution, the closing of it's accounts. There are several political parties mass closing in Europe from American social networks. What's App, and Podemos in Spain, or Twitter , managed if France by a woman frome the presidential party, that close every opposition accounts. The censorship in France at Television as a high level too, but you only know it if you are in opposition or activist.

@popolon @yogthos@mastodon.social @clacke I'm unaware of speech against trump being censored. Even NPR: the public radio here was talking about him "eating crayons." No one was fired and they still get government money. France has a lot of issues and I never said they didn't, but they are allowing reporters in.

@swiley @yogthos @clacke They are lot of reports from french journalists in China at French television too.

@popolon @yogthos@mastodon.social @clacke Can you point me to some? Maybe it was jst American journalists that aren't allowed in.

@swiley @yogthos @clacke
American one ? No problems either

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt8eO3ZxjII

@popolon @yogthos@mastodon.social @clacke As far as I can tell she isn't actually in China

@swiley @yogthos @clacke I just searched randomly, but French one was really in China, perhaps Us is blocked, that's not a bad choice, after all the war they made around the world...

@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social My french is only slightly better than my Chinese so I can barely understand what they're saying. But show me a journalist in any language from a free country saying that the Chinese government isn't committing genocide against the ughar people then.

And I absolutely agree with you: the behavior of the US against the rest of the world is unacceptable. I don't agree with half of what our government does and often vote against politicians known to perpetuate violence.

@swiley @clacke @yogthos aah, you said that foreign journalists wasn't able to go to china, I show you some foreign that are in china you say they are not in china, but I looked again, this is really picture of Wuhan, at least the same kind of street of bus behind her... I don't care about western propaganda, As say, this is just random willing of war propaganda.

@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social I know the US has made propaganda in the past, some of it has been serious and used cover up atrocities. It would be good if you could convince me that's happening here because what I've heard about China is absolutely horrific and I would really like to know that it's not real.

Unfortunately they have exhibited the common patterns of an extremely authoritarian government trying to cover up violence. It's hard to trust things when they work so hard to manipulate people and hide things.

@swiley @clacke @yogthos They still made propaganda, still in Syria, with backing Daesh, and now in China by backing former daesh Uighur from Afghanistan...

@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social What the US does in Syria makes me very angry and I didn't vote for the people who allowed that.

@swiley @clacke @yogthos but that the same that help terrorism in Afghanistan (including Taliban) and now in China

@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social Yes, I feel that way too. The US has done a lot to further terrorism in Asia. I think that in addition to this the Chinese government is committing genocide against it's people and imprisoning and maiming people for disagreeing with the government. I haven't seen *anything* to make me think this isn't the case.

@swiley @clacke @yogthos They already said that about Tibetans, everything show the opposite, including population statistics. If you go to China, you will see Tibetan temples in lot of place with lot of Tibetan, Mongolian and other minorities practitioners, including several big temples build under Qing China or Yuan China. That's Khubilai Khan, that make Tibetan Buddhism a state religion in whole china, even Marco Polo describe Phagpa when it go to Beijing (at this time Khanbalik/Qanbaliq (Cambaluc in Marco Polo texts).

@swiley @clacke @yogthos The fact is the current dalai-lama (chinese name for what who is called Tenzin Gyatso by tibetans), (is name is Lhamo Dhondup) was backed by CIA, as his brother Gyalo Thondup said, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyalo_Thondup. They both are born in Qinghai, that was in China during their birth, from a rich Monks family (reincarnation is just a mean to keep a power title in a clan in Tibet). Most people was slave during they power, historian (from the whole planet estimate between 60 to 90% of the population was slave. Only young boys that ender in monastery young and that was sexual objects for older monks can have access to literacy.