@noyes one issue is that I've heard Moderna flat out agreeing with your description, even while third parties, including government officials, engaged in that misrepresentation.

It's a tricky thing to decide how much responsibility Moderna has for others' false advertisement.

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That would be a uniquely unparalleled breach of ethics on behalf of those that knew, one that exists at the intersection of Theft By Deception and Felony Assault, perhaps even Felony Murder in cases where recipients died of Covid. It's no different than knowingly selling someone a faulty parachute or faulty scuba gear. The injuries ineluctably suffered upon breakthrough are severe, life-long, and life-limiting even if less severe than those of matched unvaccinated peers en toto.

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@noyes **YUP!**

And folks perceiving this as having been a uniquely unparalleled breach of ethics is exactly why so many are so pissed off about it, demanding investigations, and demanding accountability for what they're seeing as exactly such a monumental breach of all sorts of norms, laws, expectations, and all the rest.

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