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this is #genocide. the whole USA prison system is state-controlled #slavery ―and that’s why the premise of the whole thing let’s #rape #torture #eugenics #abuse #forcedPregnancy #forcedSterilization #forcedLabor #carcerealLabor run unchecked.
USA needs a whole abolition of slavery, and a complete destruction of the carcereal slave plantation system.
cruelty is the point of fascism.
no society should glorify the cruelty of executions.
A HUGE problem in the US (and elsewhere) is that we don't come to consensus about goals before we act, so government action is often really messed up, untargeted, inefficient, corrupt, etc.
This shows up very clearly when it comes to judicial stuff at all levels.
We don't come to consensus on whether the goal is deterrence, restitution, reformation, or outright punishment, so for generations we've been putting so many people in all sorts of counterproductive situations, generally completely unintentionally.
In this particular topic a significant proportion of the population outright DOES believe cruelty is the goal with an eye for an eye mindset. If that's what we really want to do, well, yay democracy. But we never actually have that discussion, so the goal isn't decided upon, so we're stuck in limbo, unable to fix these systems.
We need to have that debate and settle it honestly. We need to halt all action on it until we do.
Oh I hear them talking about it pretty much every single day on mainstream conservative media outlets!
And that's not to mention social media places like Nextdoor.
It really is pretty mainstream, sadly in my opinion.
The reason behind it goes into some psychoanalysis though.
Well, in general I'd say mainstream US conservatives don't recognize good faith negotiation if it hit them in the face. The movement is now headlined by children with no intellectual rigor, only question begging.
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This is not that. It's an honest disagreement over subjective values and morality and accounting for justice.
If a person really wants to live in a world based on an eye-for-an-eye approach then that's fair. It's not the type of world **I** want, but it's an honest difference in personal values.
If it was about something objective like deterrence or efficiency there would be room for debate. But this is about pure personal values. They say the pain is one thing they want from government, a goal of government.
@volkris @blogdiva
It's not an eye for an eye they want.
I'm reminded of Frank Wilhoit's definition of conservatism:
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:
There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
They want to take eyes without losing eyes.
https://slate.com/business/2022/06/wilhoits-law-conservatives-frank-wilhoit.html
But take another quote from the piece you linked, 'What remains of the “conservative” strands in the public discourse is a primal scream.'
And that "devolving so rapidly" moment was in 2022, not to mention 2018!
The problem is that conservatism has degraded dramatically since the original quote was written. It gives the grouping too much credit as it's no longer nearly so coherent.
Mainstream conservatives today *do not know what law is*. They're so intellectually bankrupt that they're unable to form such a real world structure of in- and out-groups with relation to law.
You could see this in their arguments related to everything from birthright citizenship through Trump's illegal wars.
Today's conservatism consists of old men yelling at clouds... through congressional representatives and executive orders.
@katrinakatrinka a quick breaking example:
Just now the Brian Kilmeade show, one of the biggest, was having an exchange about the guy sentenced to death by firing squad, saying it was great because it sends a message to "our enemies" that the US means business.
That's a complete ignorance of law or coherent philosophy, just a bunch of people cosplaying general.
