Hi @kaniini (sorry if other kaniini),

Also @sl007 @liaizon @zleap @alex @fedilab

Thanks for shedding light on possible issues with '#PrivacyByDesign' (see https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/fedi-flyers/1452)

What specifically breaks #AspectManagement (AM). It was understood that by design, #Fedilab included AM and Orbot compatibility for the purpose, as stated on the #FediFlyer.

For ease of reference, you wrote on above page:

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> i am very concerned with “privacy by design” being a highlight here. most fediverse servers have very little in terms of functional privacy controls. doing privacy right, in the scope of ActivityPub, is difficult if you wish to be compatible with the current implementations.

What is meant by "if you wish to be compatible with the current implementations" precisely?

To do this flyer proper, specifics need to be understood.

@kaniini @sl007 @liaizon @zleap @alex @fedilab

@dsfgs

the fediverse as it stands is mostly made up of mastodon servers. there is no encryption being used for storage of DMs and the admins of any instance that is involved in any conversation can read all the messages in that conversation. if you dm any user on mastodon.social (which alone holds probably 1/6 of the fediverse population) then all the admins of that server have the ability to read all the private messages being posted between servers. this is just one tiny example.

@liaizon
Thanks Liaison.

No surprise there about Mastodon (why no surprise???). Feels good that we recommended finding a Pleroma instances. Add it to the list of… #UghMastodon.

Okay that is a hit against privacy/Mastodon, but not against how we are framing privacy in terms of socialMedia. Integrating something into the flyer about XMPP would be good, we considered it.

If anyone has a hip way to say, "don't use fedi for IM'ing, for that use XMPP" it can be content for the man thinkBubble???

@liaizon
Thinking more about this. Fediverse UI generally makes it pretty obvious that DMs are just a toot with limited scope.

We never once assumed that admins couldn't see the toots if they needed to, the lock icon *should* probably be changed to a person (or persons) to eliminate any such confusion (#fedilabFeature?).

@liaizon
On the note of #XMPP, as stated we considered featuring it on the fediFlyer but:
a) socialMedia is not IM, and
b) after ppl join Fedi it will almost be impossible for them to not notice XMPP (or Matrix) for messaging, as they are regularly discussed on Fedi.

Having said that we are happy to using the man-thinkBubble region for this, currently alternate content for that region exists, man is smaller and thinkBubble reads, "To avoid GAFAM / Cloudflare servers, or not to avoid?"

@dsfgs Who is this flier directed at? who is your target audience?

@liaizon
Ppl fed up with Social (Control) Media and online algorithms that dictate how they see the world.

@dsfgs my point is talking about GAFAM / Cloudflare is totally inaccessible to *most* people unless they are already very tech literate

@liaizon
Yes, that was only alternate content suggestions, for when GAFAM is more mainstream, we bite the bullet and say GAFCAM these days.

What is better in your opinion, that, or GACFAM… or CAGFAM?

@dsfgs None of them. Referring to them directly by name or logo is the only way that is inclusive as far as I can figure

@liaizon
You have a good point about using their iconography. The only one without recognisable iconography is Cloudflare, so we'd write that as we're already doing.

Cheers.

(Quietly when we wrote #CAGFAM above it immediately felt perfect, albeit for the tech savvy reader. 'The CAGe FAMily'.

TCAGFAM if you want to include Tesla, because there's quite a lot that's not "above board" about them in our estimation.

Hi Dear
@kaniini @sl007 @liaizon @zleap @alex @fedilab,

Based on feedback above, we will add alternate content for man-thinkBubble re XMPP, and edit existing alternate content so rather than saying 'GAFAM' will use iconography from Google, Amazon and Microsoft.

Would ppl like the content re XMPP (see above) to be default content, rather than alternate content. Or would that be TMI (too much info)? If ppl here decide default then the print-ready jpgs will need to be updated again.

@dsfgs @kaniini @sl007 @liaizon @alex @fedilab

I think that could be TMI you may be better to have several designs rather than 1 with too much info

Could have one to cover Teitter / facebook replacements and other to cover youtube replacements (peertube, lbry)

then others to cover different platforms depending on purpose

@zleap
Tis a thought but you'd need to quiz ppl more to work out which of the flyers to give them, it also complicates the printing process and may produce waste.

The latest version mentions Peertube and PixelFed, hopefully tastefully? Perhaps the lion's speech bubble *could* be funnier?

By default, if the black man's thought bubble said, "To avoid Gă<Microsoft_icon> and Cloudflare servers, or not to avoid?" would that be TMI? Recent events suggest not!

@kaniini @sl007 @liaizon @alex @fedilab

Hi Dear @zleap @kaniini @sl007 @liaizon @humanetech @nestort,

Paul has very kindly uploaded the previews of the version of the fediFlyer that we've been discussing.

Here is Side A:
https://git.qoto.org/zleap/documents/-/raw/894a6138843192cc4f87b3537e2ae4b30fd5f8b6/fediflyers/FediFlyer_fedUpCatTribe_v210221_enUS_sideA_PREVIEW.jpg

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…and Side B:
https://git.qoto.org/zleap/documents/-/raw/master/fediflyers/FediFlyer_fedUpCatTribe_v210221_enUS_sideB_PREVIEW.jpg

Thanks Paul! Much appreciated.

Do ppl want the size of the black man reduced a bit so the thought bubble can say that line about avoiding Gă<Microsoft> / Cloudflare servers? If there are no complaints we'll do it in the coming days.

Witty lines for lion, also accepted.

@zleap @kaniini @sl007 @liaizon @humanetech @nestort

@dsfgs @kaniini @sl007 @liaizon @humanetech @nestort

May be a good idea anyway as his head seems to cross over the green circle section.

@zleap

Just quietly, that overlapping style is a design motif we are repeating on the flyer.

@dsfgs ah ok

I have now uploaded to the new repository, flyers are now in their own repository and not a directory of the Documents repository

https://git.qoto.org/zleap/fediflyers

add a read me with basic info and hopefully info pointing back to the two of us so people can get involved.

Hope this helps

Paul

@zleap
Looking good Paul,

An updated version is sent to you tell me if you want to add the source file, and print-ready files to it :)

@dsfgs I got it, will add to the repository later to day. new version looks nice too.

on a off topic i see Facebook have manage to get the Australian government to chance teir law to force them to pay for news content through blocking news,

A very worrying development that could set a bad presidence going forward