Right to wild camp in England lost in Dartmoor court case https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jan/13/dartmoor-estate-landowner-alexander-darwall-court-case-right-to-camp
Boggles my mind how incredibly backward England can be sometimes. We're about a century behind Scotland in so many respects. Can't wait to move north of the border to a place with more sensible attitudes towards virtually everything.
@alex_roddie very sad, but we should not kid ourselves that the landowners in Scotland are any more enlightened. The situation in the #LLTNP shows that our access rights are lot more fragile than many of us thought following the Act.
I think the issues with wild camping are more complex, **a vast majority of people wild camp responsibly**, however as we have seen during the summer heat waves, one or two idiots spoil it for everyone else, hence we have had massive fires on open ground, or rubbish left strewn everywhere, human waste left on the ground etc etc.
We have even had a disposable BBQ left buried in the sand, found by a child standing on it (as it was still hot) child suffered horrific burns.
How do the national parks balance those of us who are responsible with those idiots who spoilt it for everyone else.
It is those of you who do things properly who end up on the wrong side of these rulings.
@zleap @alex_roddie specifically to the #LLTNP, the park could have put the resources it now dedicates to enforcing the camping ban into dealing with the original antisocial behaviour, FWIW, I have seen no real evidence that the camping ban actually reduced the antisocial behaviour at the trouble spots.
It is not the anti social stuff that worries me as much as the people who start huge fires just by throwing a lighted cigarette on the ground or leave BBQs around.
When i was in canada for a year, I learned the phrase
Leave only footprints, take only memories. wise words to anyone venturing in to nature.
