@SamuelBepis

I get that, Is this common that kids either go through puberty early or have medical conditions,. I am guessing cancer can have an effect or at least the radio / chemo therapy.

I did read that there are lots of oestrogen mimicking chemicals out there, that can also cause problems, and maybe cause girls to go through puberty early.

But a good reason not to ban the use of puberry blockers, as I guess a child of say 11 / 12 can be given these if diagnosed with cancer, get the cancer treatment and upon completion get testosterone to kick start puberty

Of course i am not a doctor so am kind of speculating here a little.

@zleap @SamuelBepis That's the point. These are perfectly normal drugs, given for good medical reasons, such that a child who hits puberty at, say, 7, can wait until 13, or one who won't hit puberty at all will have it happen on a normal schedule.

And the restrictions are not on the drugs, which are safe for both cis and trans kids. The restrictions are only on the patients.

Imagine if Utah passed a law saying gay people couldn't get anti-cancer drugs: That's how bigoted this is.

@theweaselking @SamuelBepis

So is there a correlation between states that practice religion more widely and these policies. ?

We have issues with the Church of England, they will bless Gay Marriage but not actually do the ceremony or something.

I kinda understand their teachings apparently outlaw being gay I just wondered if that is actually explicit in scripture or has been added over the years as people just object.

@zleap @SamuelBepis Oh man, you need to look up Utah and the Church Of Jesus Christ And The Latter-Day Saints, aka "Mormonism".

They literally believe that non-white skin is a sign of unrepented sin and only in the late 1970s started letting non-white people be priests and changed it to "a sign that your pre-existence self was a sinner" rather than an incontrovertible sign that you were currently sinning. The institution is REALLY bigoted, about everything.

@zleap @SamuelBepis and they believe in "continuous revelation" - the idea that the current head of the church is by definition a prophet being given direct current instructions from God. Which means that any time something shows up that the guy who wrote their holy book didn't think of, the current leaders make it up on the spot and that's The Will Of God. Which happens to always be extremely right-wing and bigoted for reasons nobody can fathom, I guess that's just what God is like.

@theweaselking @zleap @SamuelBepis
They believe a lot of weird stuff. As to Catholics, evangelicals, and virtually all the other religions.

@vivienhessel @zleap Sure, but the Mormon set of "mid-1800s opinions from a horny racist dude are now THE WORD OF GOD except he left a loophole so that further 'revelation' was always possible and his successors have RUN with that" is particularly and specifically weird.

People *argue* whether Paul hated gays. Joseph Smith was absolutely explicit.

@theweaselking @vivienhessel

Based on their attitude we could assume that the word Mormon is just a simple misspelling of the word Moron which would be far more descriptive.

Could be seen as offensive and insulting but no more so than their attitude towards relationships.

@zleap @theweaselking @SamuelBepis
Do you not think all that « scripture «  is made up as the go along? Who knows what those ancient scrolls really say.

@vivienhessel @theweaselking @SamuelBepis

Everything is open to interpretation, the story of fire and brimstone from god has some truth, well in the fact they have found glass in the area, thing is that glass was caused by meteors or similar hitting the sand, superheating the sand, forming glass, so the science and investigations explains it. At the time, it would have been terrifying for the people, so saying it was a punishment from god at the time, would make sense to people at that time.

@vivienhessel @theweaselking @SamuelBepis

I also watcheda documentary, about moses, the parting of the red sea could be a misinterpretation of reedsea a sea of reeds which grow near water.

@zleap @theweaselking @SamuelBepis
I read that under a certain condition, the Red Sea could have parted due to a weather phenomenon. Don’t ask me to cite my source. I read a lot and I don’t make notations or anything.

@vivienhessel @theweaselking @SamuelBepis

I think there are clearly numerous ideas, all of which have merit as our climate, even in 2023, can display all sorts of weird and wonderful phenomenon which to these civilisations would be difficult to understand.

Again why I like it here, we can discuss, throw ideas around and ask questions in a civilised manner. How social networking should be.

@zleap @theweaselking The thing is, the Bible probably doesn't say anything about homosexuality at all. The "clobber passages" that conservatives cite are pretty ambiguous in the original languages. The word "homosexuality" and the concept of sexual orientation as we understand it now didn't even exist when these texts were written.

@SamuelBepis @zleap @theweaselking Who is this written for? Is somebody imagining a generic Fundie somewhere who is convinced by this very outré, very technical interpretation of the topic? Personally, I have a hard time imagining any Fundie even reading it.

@Robert_R_Freitag_II It's for anyone who might be misled into thinking that there's a non-bigoted reason for these laws to exist.

@SamuelBepis I don't think anybody believes that. Frankly, in my experience, no bigot has ever been worried about being thought of as a bigot. Not even in the slightest.

@Robert_R_Freitag_II The most effective bigots are the ones who *do* care about being seen that way. If they just told the truth about why they're passing these laws (because they think trans people are gross and shouldn't exist) then they'd attract a lot more opposition. So instead they make it about "protecting children" and other non-bigoted-sounding reasons. And yeah, people I know don't buy it, but that doesn't mean nobody does.

@theweaselking @SamuelBepis

On the topic of puberty, this is a difficult time as it is, I would hope these kids are given just as much access to mental health support as these drugs. Body changes are kinda bad enough at 13, but at 7 must be pretty scary if no one else is going through the same, on the other end of the scale being the only person in the class not going through puberty would be awkward and lead to bullying too.

@zleap I mean, you'd HOPE that teenagers would get mental health support, not just medical health support, but millions of them can't get medical support, either. It's simply cruel to say that a medication that CAN help a child, where giving it to the child is harmless and helpful and denying it to them is harmful, and decide "nope, this kid managed to get help, that's illegal".