@jens

> They've moved the overton window. That's what their attrition warfare is all about.

I agree. But such is the nature of liberal democracy. We don't want to prevent that. It was calm, now we are arguing a lot. But facts (as in laws) are not changing.

> But I guess we won't come to a conclusion here.

Probably, because now it's only about subtleties. Let me thank you for a great exchange. I enjoyed it immensely. Sparring with you is a joy. I've got my dose of intellectual entertainment this evening, I can go to bed happy :-D.

@IngaLovinde To you I apologise to finally taking over the thread, but this turned out to be way more fun than I imagined. Thanks.